Re: [bcn2004] Part-2: About
the words SHAKTIISM and SHAIVISM and VISHNU
Dear Ram Varmha,
Namesta. You write
that you were amused with my writing. Believe me, my posting was not
meant for amusement. It was one of my many writings that opens the restructured
innerfolds of the Indo-European languages for all to see, read and think very
carefully about the things that have taken place. It was meant to take
lessons from it, not be amused! I have seen a "linguistic reality"
regarding the nature of the so-called "Indo-European" languages -
that they were made up from Turkish - and I want to bring that reality to the
attention of readers. The so-called "Indo-European" languages are
artificially made up languages restructured from Turkish by some very secretive
groups. Since, this fact is not known by present day
"linguistics" and I am the only one who has discovered this fact and
claimed it against a world-wide false understanding, I have to bring forward as
many words of the so-called "Indo-Euroean" languages as I can and
show how they contain Turkish equivalents in them. You have the luxury of
rejecting what I say because you seem to be one of the majority who, under the
influence of the old and wrong understanding, thinks that what I say is not
possible. So I have to show the truthfulness of my point with many
examples. That is why I am writing what I write.
Please also note
that I am not writing what I write just to show that Turkish is a beautiful
language" - which it is. But, that is not my purspose. You know that
my argument is totally different as I outlined above. Now I see that you
seem to be offended with my writings. First of all, as I had indicated in my
writing, it was not and it is not my intention to offend anyone or amuse anyone. I
have mentioned this on many occasions. You are a dear friend in this
group and I have written highly detailed and thorough responses regarding your
specific questions. Furthermore I was not going to write about the Sanskrit
language, but you insisted that I should make myself clear regarding Sanskrit
when I say that Indo-European languages were made up from Turkish. In
your responses to some of my earlier papers, your questions were aimed to
prove me wrong in case that I could not explain my claim. So as you can
see, my responses are countering your questions.
You said in this
response that:
"The way you take the name
Vishnu, written in English and by rearraging the letters around to find
some Turkish meaning, is in itself false because in Sanskrit the name Vishnu is
written, not in English style, but the following way" and you explain
how it is done in Hindu writing system.
First there is just the letter "va",
to which is added "e" to make a composite "vi".
Next comes the composite "shnu" which is
made up of "sha"
+ "Na" + "u" = "shNu". The N here is as in
"uNder".
So if you break up the name Vishnu, it will
not be like writing in English, using letter by letter, but the break will be
= (va + e) + (sha + Na + u).
Now, how in the world, can "(va
e)" + "(sha na u)" be rearranged to
"ISHNO"? Are you suggesting that the ancient Hindus used English
letters to transform from Turkish to Sanskrit? Hmm! Very enlightening, isn't
it? "
Polat Kaya: Evidently even your own writing (va
+ e) + (sha + Na + u) = "Vi +shNu" is
vocalised as "VISHNU", hence it is pronounced as such and called the
name of this deity. Secondly, even your "shNu" has
the Turkish "ISHN-U" sound in it meaning "it is light".
Thirdly, VISHNU, being the second deity in the Indian "trinity" deity
concept, is highly likely to be the personification of the SUN. In the
ancient Turanian understanding of the Trinity, the first deity is the creator
of the "universe" which is called, by one name, in Turkish "BIR
AGA" meaning "One Lord" or "BIR AGAM" meaning "my
only Lord" which BRAHMA represents. The second member of the trinity was
the SUN who is the unquestionable ruler of our solar system. The remainder of
the trinity was the MOON in ancient understanding. It is most likely that the
Indian Trinity concept was a continuation of the ancient Turanian trinity
concept. Thus this makes the deity VISHNU the SUN which is the source of
light and heat and life on earth. Furthermore, other references indicate
that VISHNU in Indian mythology represented the sun and light. For example, Rhoda
A. Hendricks, in
her book entitled "Mythologies of the World A Concise Encyclopedia",
[McGraw-Hill Book Company, 1981, p. 208] states about VISHNU that: "Originally a Vedic
god exemplifying benevolence and associated with the sun and light.".
We have the following from url: http://www.indiantemples.com/beliefs/surya_belief.htm
"The Vedas refer
to sun worship. Vishnu is
also described as being seated in the midst of the disk of the sun; over time
Vishnu worship merged with sun worship (in some instances), and Surya is also
referred to as Suryanarayana.
We have from Wikipedia at url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narayana
"Narayana (Sanskrit:
नारायण; nārāyaṇa) or Narayan is
an important Sanskrit name
for Vishnu and
is in many contemporary vernaculars, a common Indian name.
The name is also associated with Brahma and Krishna.
He is also identified with, or as the son of, the original man, Purusha."
from url http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishnu, we have the following saying:
"In the Vedas: In the Rigveda,
Vishnu is mentioned 93 times. He is frequently invoked alongside other deities,
especiallyIndra,
whom he assists in killing Vritra, and with
whom he drinks Soma. His companionship
with Indra is still reflected by his later titles Indrānuja and
"Upendra", both referring to Vishnu as being the brother of Indra.
His distinguishing characteristic in the Vedas is his association with Light,
or even his identification with the Sun."
Polat Kaya:
As evidenced from these references sourced from Indian mythology, Vishnu is
very much related to sun and the sunlight. Additionally, the name NARAYANA is
also a term that represents VISHNU. In this light and then from the Turkish
point of view, it is natural that the name NARAYANA be also a name for
SUN. NARAYANA, arranged in the form "YANAN-AR" is the Turkish
expression "YANAN ER" meaning "burning man". In this
context and since Sun is personified as a person (ER) named VISHNU, then VISHNU
is the burning sun. That is why it is said in the Vedas that, Vishnu is also described as
being seated in the midst of the disk of the sun; So VISHNU is a personification of sun and light, and
also the source of the "Sanskrit" name NARAYANA is from Turkish.
Turkish words YANAN means "that which is burning" and ER means
"man, person".
Additionally,
NARAYANA, arranged in the form "YANAN RA", is the Turkish expression
"YANAN RA" meaning "The burning RA the Sun God". In
ancient Turanian Masar (MISIR) state, RA was the sun-god.
Furthermore,
NARAYANA, arranged in the form "YANA(N)-NAR" is the Turkish
expression "YANAN NAR" meaning "The burning glowing fire"
which is again the Sun. Turkish NAR means "glowing fire" which
one sees at the sunset almost every evening. So again all this shows that
NARAYANA is very much from Turkish.
Hence, your saying
that: "The
name Vishnu comes from the Sanskrit root vis', meaning enter, pervade. The
meaning then is "he one who pervades every thing". This word has
nothing to do with sun or sun-light!" is not a valid
rejection. Vishnu has a lot to do with sun and its light. You also said
that : "Vishnu
has 1000 names attached to him".
So you see Ram,
VISHNU and NARAYANA are unquestionably pointing to the Sun and its light
(ISHIN). You are just having difficulty in accepting it. And besides,
the sunlight and its heat do pervade everything in our world. This is
what you said VISHNU meant. Additionally the sunlight and its heat
radiate into space equally and omnidirectionally. Ancient Aryan
"mythologies" have been composed to mistify things rather than
clearly define their subjects.
You
said:
"I
do not mean this as a disrespect to you, Sir, but why do you continue to look
for Turkish equivalents to all the words in the world? You must know
that it is impossible for any one or any group of people to purposely encrypt
words from Turkish to the many languages in the world. What would be the common
purpose of such an endeavour? It is not logical."
Polat Kaya: No Ram. It is
very possible for groups of dedicated people to come up with new languages from
a "known and world-wide spoken model language" which the monosyllabic
language of Turkish was. All one has to do is to rearrange the words and
phrases and do alterations on the sounds. The artificial languages of the so-called
"Greek" and "Latin" and the rest of the European languages
are unquestionably made up from Turkish in this way, and I see no reason why
Sanskrit would not be the same. Once the basics of a new language are formed
from the model language, then, of course, there will be endless variations
using the established words. The language builders do not deal with the
variations in the language but rather with the basic words of the language.
What I am showing are some of those basic words that have been manufactured
from Turkish and this fact is not known by linguists, or even if they knew it
they would probably want to be lull about it rather than admit it. I am
deciphering many words and sharing with you and other readers in order to show
that an unimaginable civilization usurpation and destruction have been done by
certain groups in the past. The past of humanity has been intentionally
destroyed by way of alteration of names and the language of the ancient world
and thus history has been changed, confused and blackened with full of lies.
The modern people have a right to know this fact.
You
said:
"Why
do you try to bring controversial, unacceptable and wrong interpretations
to an already beautiful language, by going on and on, finding meaningless
encryptions to try to prove that all the world's languages came from
Turkish - not even directly - but by some clever manipulation, by people
unknown, to rob words from Turkish and use it as their own in some
subversive manner? How can rational people believe such concepts?"
Polat Kaya: First of all,
what I say is not meaningless. Your labeling my decryptions as
"meaningless" is a distraction. Particularly, when one does not
read the presented text, he/she cannnot know whether the text was meaningless
or meaningful. So you, while saying that you do not have time to read my
writings, which I can understand, then would not be in a position to say that
what I say is meaningless! Furthermore, as I noted above, I am bringing to the
attention of readers a concept that is totally contrary to the nature of the
"Indo-European languages" defended by linguists. In this
regard, what I say is, of course "contreversial" but not
"wrong" and "meaningless" as you put it.
What
I have discovered about the nature of the Indo-European languages is so devious
and so well planned and so well executed that it is natural for people to think
it could not have happened. But it has happened!
All
of the major religions talk about many different things on the surface but if
one digs a little, we find that they are all really talking about the Sun and
the Moon and a Universal Creator - although they are cloaked in
mythology. But the Sun, the Moon and the Creator Sky God concepts are all
present in the ancient Turco-Sumerian and Turco-Masarian (Egyptian) religions
which, by the way, were before any of the more modern religions - including
Hinduism. The SUN worshiping concept has been immortalized in the Turkish word
"ISTAN" which comes from the Turkish words "IShITAN"
meaning "that which lightens" and "ISITAN" meaning
"that which heats" and "IST-HAN" (USTHAN" meaning
"the Lord Above" or the "Palace above" all referring to Sun
and Sky-Creator God above. The very fact that the ancient name of India is
also known as HINDUSTAN is testimony that at some point in ancient time, Sun,
Moon and Sky Creator God worshipping Turanians were in also India. This
is expected because while some of the ancient Turkish speaking Turanians from
Central Asia went to the so-called Mesopotamia, Egypt, Anatolia, Europe and
other Mediterranean Sea coasts, some other Turanians from Central Asia
went to India and further southeast, and some others went to the continents of
Americas who became the native peoples of the Americas. In this picture, it is
easy to find in the name of the god VISHNU to have the Turkish
"ISHIN" meaning "light" in it. Evidently,
"Aryans", who arrived in India later, altered the language and the
religion that were present in India before their arrival. This they have done
zealously wherever they went on earth. It is because of this that I am finding
Turkish words and expressions in the so-called Sanskrit words. The
meaning of all this is that before Sanskrit existed in India, there was Turkish
there. You must understand that those who rob from others obviously do it in a
secretive manner and do not declare themselves as robbers. In fact, they
frequently point the finger to other innocent people claiming that they did
what was done.
You
say "How
can rational people believe such concepts?" Let me answer that
with the following: In news items of the modern world, when people hear
about a new scam where people are duped out of their money and/or possessions
by some very clever methods, are they not surprised? Of course they
are! They probably think and speak aloud: "How could anybody have
dreamt up such an amazing scam?" But it is true. Evidently,
some people did dream it up and they did execute it. So you see,
"rational" people do believe things or events that they once thought
would be irrational and impossible before. Also, those so-called
"rational" people sometimes believe a lot of things that are really
not believable. If you recall a lot of "rational people" did
not believe GALILEO GALILEI also!
Finally
you try to "tease" me, which you should not have as I talk and
discuss with you matters very seriously and with respect, by saying that
"Vishnu has 1000 names attached to him." Turkish has
similar concept. The Turanian Sky God concept in which God being present
everywhere and at all times expresses an omnipotent and omnipresent entity.
GOD having the form of everything results in attributing many names to
Him. So, one of the 1000 names of VISHNU the God representing the sun and
sunlight should not surprise you.
As
a complementary enlightening, I would like to share with you the following:
From url athttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishnu,
we have the following statement:
"In
the Dvaita[4] Vaishnava traditions,
Vishnu is the Supreme Being. Within the Advaita traditions,
Vishnu is viewed as one of many 'forms' of the ultimately formless Brahman,
however Smarta adherents
worship Vishnu as one of the five principal forms. In virtually all the Sanatana Dharma traditions,
Vishnu is worshipped, either directly or through the Narasimha, Ramaand Krishna avataras."
So,
in Hinduism, the name KRISHNA is also related to VISHNU by way of being an
AVATAR of Vishnu. Again from a source in Wikipedia, that is, from the url http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar,
we have the definition of AVATAR as:
"In Hindu philosophy,
an avatar, avatara or avataram (Sanskrit: अवतार, IAST: avatāra),
most commonly refers to theincarnation (bodily manifestation) of a
higher being (deva), or the Supreme Being (God) onto planet Earth. The Sanskrit wordavatāra- literally
means "descent" (avatarati)
and usually implies a deliberate descent into lower realms of existence for
special purposes. The term is used primarily in Hinduism,
for incarnations of Vishnu whom many Hindus worship as
God."
Polat Kaya: I like to bring to the
notice of the readers that the Sanskrit term AVATAR or AVATARA, where V is a Y,
is the restructured form of the Turkish word "YARATA" (YARATI)
meaning "that which is created" or "YARATI O" meaning
"it is that which is created". In Turkish GOD concept, God is
able to create and manifest itself in all kinds of forms. Thus this Sanskrit
term AVATARA meaning "descent" is indeed sourced from Turkish
"YARATI" or "YARATI O". Similarly, I find that the Sanskrit
term AVATARAM is a restructured, altered and Sankritised form of
the Turkish word "YARATMA O" meaning "it is creation".
Furthermore, the "English" term "CREATOR" is the
restructured form of the Turkish word "YARATUR" meaning "it
creates". God is a creator and "He/She/It creates", that is, in
Turkish "O YARATUR".
When
the name KRISHNA is rearranged letter-by-letter as "KINASH-R", I find
the Turkish name "KÜNESH ER" (GÜNESH ER) meaning "The SUN
Man". Well, is this a coincidence?!!! We again find that Vishnu has
created himself as the SUN (KUN) which means light and heat. So indeed the
source of the name KRISHNA is again in Turkish and that source connects Krishna
the Sun to Vishnu the ISHIN.
Finally,
KRISHNA being an "avatar" of VISHNU, also has the name BALAKRISHNA
meaning the "Young Krishna". In this name, "BALA" is
a Turkish word that means "young child". Thus, even in the name
BALAKRISHNA, which is a name that is is used very widely in Indian culture, the
prefix Turkish word BALA is a testimony that when this name was coined by the
Brahmins who manufactured the language of "Sanskrit", Turkish
language was unquestionably there, that is, in INDIA!
My
very best wishes to you as always,
Polat
Kaya
Ram Varmha wrote:
Dear Polat Bey,
It was with some ammusement that I read this post of yours. I do not have time to go through each and every item of yours. But, for brevity let me explain the etymology of Vishnu.
The way you take the name Vishnu, written in English and by rearraging the letters around to find some Turkish meaning, is in itself false because in Sanskrit the name Vishnu is written, not in English style, but the following way:
First there is just the letter "va", to which is added "e" to make a composite "vi".
Next comes the composite "shnu" which is made up of "sha" + "Na" + "u" = "shNu". The N here is as in "uNder".
So if you break up the name Vishnu, it will not be like writing in English, using letter by letter, but the break will be = (va + e) + (sha + Na + u).
Now, how in the world, can "(va e)" + "(sha na u)" be rearranged to "ISHNO"? Are you suggesting that the ancient Hindus used English letters to transform from Turkish to Sanskrit? Hmm! Very enlightening, isn't it?
The name Vishnu comes from the Sanskrit root vis', meaning enter, pervade. The meaning then is "he one who pervades every thing". This word has nothing to do with sun or sun-light!
Sorry, your definition is not acceptable.
I do not mean this as a disrespect to you, Sir, but why do you continue to look for Turkish equivalents to all the words in the world? You must know that it is impossible for any one or any group of people to purposely encrypt words from Turkish to the many languages in the world. What would be the common purpose of such an endeavour? It is not logical.
Turkish is a beautiful language, with majestic words and pleasant pronounciations. Why do you try to bring controversial, unacceptable and wrong interpretations to an already beautiful language, by going on and on, finding meaningless encryptions to try to prove that all the world's languages came from Turkish - not even directly - but by some clever manipulation, by people unknown, to rob words from Turkish and use it as their own in some subversive manner? How can rational people believe such concepts?
Just as a teaser, let me point to you that Vishnu has 1000 names attached to him. You may want to go to Stanza 1, in the middle of the text to start reading the 1000 different names of Vishnu. The link below gives all the thousand names and their meanings. Would you care to find encrypted Turkish meanings to all of them?. Be my guest!
As I mentioned earlier, I mean no disrespect to you. But, I find it troublesome to read your interpretations, which cannot be substantiated. Sorry to put it this way.
Wishing you the very best.
Ram
Polat Kaya <tntr@...> wrote:Dear Ram Varmha and Dear Friends,
Greetings. I will identify a number of Sanskrit and English words which are very related to the OM concept in Hinduism.
the rest is cut.