Re: [bcn2004] Part-2: About the words SHAKTIISM and SHAIVISM and VISHNU

Dear Ram Varmha,


Namesta. You write that you were amused with my writing.  Believe me, my posting was not meant for amusement.  It was one of my many writings that opens the restructured innerfolds of the Indo-European languages for all to see, read and think very carefully about the things that have taken place.  It was meant to take lessons from it, not be amused! I have seen a "linguistic reality" regarding the nature of the so-called "Indo-European" languages - that they were made up from Turkish - and I want to bring that reality to the attention of readers. The so-called "Indo-European" languages are artificially made up languages restructured from Turkish by some very secretive groups.  Since, this fact is not known by present day "linguistics" and I am the only one who has discovered this fact and claimed it against a world-wide false understanding, I have to bring forward as many words of the so-called "Indo-Euroean" languages as I can and show how they contain Turkish equivalents in them. You have the luxury of rejecting what I say because you seem to be one of the majority who, under the influence of the old and wrong understanding, thinks that what I say is not possible.  So I have to show the truthfulness of my point with many examples.  That is why I am writing what I write.  

Please also note that I am not writing what I write just to show that Turkish is a beautiful language" - which it is.  But, that is not my purspose. You know that my argument is totally different as I outlined above.  Now I see that you seem to be offended with my writings. First of all, as I had indicated in my writing, it was not and it is not my intention to offend anyone or amuse anyone. I have mentioned this on many occasions.  You are a dear friend in this group and I have written highly detailed and thorough responses regarding your specific questions. Furthermore I was not going to write about the Sanskrit language, but you insisted that I should make myself clear regarding Sanskrit when I say that Indo-European languages were made up from Turkish.  In your  responses to some of my earlier papers, your questions were aimed to prove me wrong in case that I could not explain my claim.  So as you can see, my responses are countering your questions.  

You said in this response that:  

 

"The way you take the name Vishnu, written in English and by rearraging the letters around to find some Turkish meaning, is in itself false because in Sanskrit the name Vishnu is written, not in English style, but the following way" and you explain how it is done in Hindu writing system.

 

First there is just the letter "va", to which is added "e" to make a composite "vi".

 

Next comes the composite "shnu" which is made up of "sha" + "Na" + "u" = "shNu". The N here is as in "uNder".

 

So if you break up the name Vishnu, it will not be like writing in English, using letter by letter, but the break will be = (va + e) + (sha + Na + u). 

 

Now, how in the world, can "(va e)" + "(sha na u)" be rearranged to "ISHNO"? Are you suggesting that the ancient Hindus used English letters to transform from Turkish to Sanskrit? Hmm! Very enlightening, isn't it? "



Polat Kaya:  Evidently even your own writing (va + e) + (sha + Na + u) = "Vi +shNu"  is vocalised as "VISHNU", hence it is pronounced as such and called the name of this deity.  Secondly, even your "shNu" has the Turkish "ISHN-U" sound in it meaning "it is light". Thirdly, VISHNU, being the second deity in the Indian "trinity" deity concept, is highly likely to be the personification of the SUN.  In the ancient Turanian understanding of the Trinity, the first deity is the creator of the "universe" which is called, by one name, in Turkish "BIR AGA" meaning "One Lord" or "BIR AGAM" meaning "my only Lord" which BRAHMA represents. The second member of the trinity was the SUN who is the unquestionable ruler of our solar system. The remainder of the trinity was the MOON in ancient understanding. It is most likely that the Indian Trinity concept was a continuation of the ancient Turanian trinity concept.  Thus this makes the deity VISHNU the SUN which is the source of light and heat and life on earth.  Furthermore, other references indicate that VISHNU in Indian mythology represented the sun and light. For example, Rhoda A. Hendricks, in her book entitled "Mythologies of the World A Concise Encyclopedia", [McGraw-Hill Book Company, 1981, p. 208] states about VISHNU that: 
"Originally a Vedic god exemplifying benevolence and associated with the sun and light.".

We have the following from url: http://www.indiantemples.com/beliefs/surya_belief.htm

"The Vedas refer to sun worship. Vishnu is also described as being seated in the midst of the disk of the sun; over time Vishnu worship merged with sun worship (in some instances), and Surya is also referred to as Suryanarayana.

We have from Wikipedia at url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narayana

"Narayana (Sanskrit: यण; nārāyaa) or Narayan is an important Sanskrit name for Vishnu and is in many contemporary vernaculars, a common Indian name. The name is also associated with Brahma and Krishna. He is also identified with, or as the son of, the original man, Purusha."


from url 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishnu, we have the following saying:
 

"In the Vedas: In the Rigveda, Vishnu is mentioned 93 times. He is frequently invoked alongside other deities, especiallyIndra, whom he assists in killing Vritra, and with whom he drinks Soma. His companionship with Indra is still reflected by his later titles Indrānuja and "Upendra", both referring to Vishnu as being the brother of Indra. His distinguishing characteristic in the Vedas is his association with Light, or even his identification with the Sun."

Polat Kaya:  As evidenced from these references sourced from Indian mythology, Vishnu is very much related to sun and the sunlight. Additionally, the name NARAYANA is also a term that represents VISHNU. In this light and then from the Turkish point of view, it is natural that the name NARAYANA be also a name for SUN.  NARAYANA, arranged in the form "YANAN-AR" is the Turkish expression "YANAN ER" meaning "burning man".  In this context and since Sun is personified as a person (ER) named VISHNU, then VISHNU is the burning sun. That is why it is said in the Vedas that, Vishnu is also described as being seated in the midst of the disk of the sun;   So VISHNU is a personification of sun and light, and also the source of the "Sanskrit" name NARAYANA is from Turkish. Turkish words YANAN means "that which is burning" and ER means "man, person".

Additionally, NARAYANA, arranged in the form "YANAN RA", is the Turkish expression "YANAN RA" meaning "The burning RA the Sun God".  In ancient Turanian Masar (MISIR) state, RA was the sun-god.

Furthermore, NARAYANA, arranged in the form "YANA(N)-NAR" is the Turkish expression "YANAN NAR" meaning "The burning glowing fire" which is again the Sun.  Turkish NAR means "glowing fire" which one sees at the sunset almost every evening.  So again all this shows that NARAYANA is very much from Turkish. 

Hence, your saying that:  
"The name Vishnu comes from the Sanskrit root vis', meaning enter, pervade. The meaning then is "he one who pervades every thing". This word has nothing to do with sun or sun-light!"  is not a valid rejection. Vishnu has a lot to do with sun and its light.  You also said that : "Vishnu has 1000 names attached to him". 

So you see Ram, VISHNU and NARAYANA are unquestionably pointing to the Sun and its light (ISHIN).  You are just having difficulty in accepting it.  And besides, the sunlight and its heat do pervade everything in our world.  This is what you said VISHNU meant.  Additionally the sunlight and its heat radiate into space equally and omnidirectionally.  Ancient Aryan "mythologies" have been composed to mistify things rather than clearly define their subjects.

You said:
 

"I do not mean this as a disrespect to you, Sir, but why do you continue to look for Turkish equivalents to all the words in the world? You must know that it is impossible for any one or any group of people to purposely encrypt words from Turkish to the many languages in the world. What would be the common purpose of such an endeavour? It is not logical."

Polat Kaya:  No Ram. It is very possible for groups of dedicated people to come up with new languages from a "known and world-wide spoken model language" which the monosyllabic language of Turkish was.  All one has to do is to rearrange the words and phrases and do alterations on the sounds. The artificial languages of the so-called "Greek" and "Latin" and the rest of the European languages are unquestionably made up from Turkish in this way, and I see no reason why Sanskrit would not be the same. Once the basics of a new language are formed from the model language, then, of course, there will be endless variations using the established words. The language builders do not deal with the variations in the language but rather with the basic words of the language. What I am showing are some of those basic words that have been manufactured from Turkish and this fact is not known by linguists, or even if they knew it they would probably want to be lull about it rather than admit it. I am deciphering many words and sharing with you and other readers in order to show that an unimaginable civilization usurpation and destruction have been done by certain groups in the past. The past of humanity has been intentionally destroyed by way of alteration of names and the language of the ancient world and thus history has been changed, confused and blackened with full of lies.  The modern people have a right to know this fact. 
 

You said:
 

"Why do you try to bring controversial, unacceptable and wrong interpretations to an already beautiful language, by going on and on, finding meaningless encryptions to try to prove that all the world's languages came from Turkish - not even directly - but by some clever manipulation, by people unknown, to rob words from Turkish and use it as their own in some subversive manner? How can rational people believe such concepts?"  
 

Polat Kaya:  First of all, what I say is not meaningless. Your labeling my decryptions as "meaningless" is a distraction.  Particularly, when one does not read the presented text, he/she cannnot know whether the text was meaningless or meaningful. So you, while saying that you do not have time to read my writings, which I can understand, then would not be in a position to say that what I say is meaningless! Furthermore, as I noted above, I am bringing to the attention of readers a concept that is totally contrary to the nature of the "Indo-European languages" defended by linguists.  In this regard, what I say is, of course "contreversial" but not "wrong" and "meaningless" as you put it.  
 

What I have discovered about the nature of the Indo-European languages is so devious and so well planned and so well executed that it is natural for people to think it could not have happened. But it has happened! 
 

All of the major religions talk about many different things on the surface but if one digs a little, we find that they are all really talking about the Sun and the Moon and a Universal Creator - although they are cloaked in mythology.  But the Sun, the Moon and the Creator Sky God concepts are all present in the ancient Turco-Sumerian and Turco-Masarian (Egyptian) religions which, by the way, were before any of the more modern religions - including Hinduism. The SUN worshiping concept has been immortalized in the Turkish word "ISTAN" which comes from the Turkish words "IShITAN" meaning "that which lightens" and "ISITAN" meaning "that which heats" and "IST-HAN" (USTHAN" meaning "the Lord Above" or the "Palace above" all referring to Sun and Sky-Creator God above.  The very fact that the ancient name of India is also known as HINDUSTAN is testimony that at some point in ancient time, Sun, Moon and Sky Creator God worshipping Turanians were in also India.  This is expected because while some of the ancient Turkish speaking Turanians from Central Asia went to the so-called Mesopotamia, Egypt, Anatolia, Europe and other Mediterranean Sea coasts, some other Turanians from Central Asia went to India and further southeast, and some others went to the continents of Americas who became the native peoples of the Americas. In this picture, it is easy to find in the name of the god VISHNU to have the Turkish "ISHIN" meaning "light" in it. Evidently, "Aryans", who arrived in India later, altered the language and the religion that were present in India before their arrival. This they have done zealously wherever they went on earth. It is because of this that I am finding Turkish words and expressions in the so-called Sanskrit words.  The meaning of all this is that before Sanskrit existed in India, there was Turkish there. You must understand that those who rob from others obviously do it in a secretive manner and do not declare themselves as robbers.  In fact, they frequently point the finger to other innocent people claiming that they did what was done.  
 

You say "How can rational people believe such concepts?"  Let me answer that with the following:  In news items of the modern world, when people hear about a new scam where people are duped out of their money and/or possessions by some very clever methods, are they not  surprised?  Of course they are!  They probably think and speak aloud: "How could anybody have dreamt up such an amazing scam?"  But it is true.  Evidently, some people did dream it up and they did execute it. So you see, "rational" people do believe things or events that they once thought would be irrational and impossible before.  Also, those so-called "rational" people sometimes believe a lot of things that are really not believable.  If you recall a lot of "rational people" did not believe GALILEO GALILEI also!
 

Finally you try to "tease" me, which you should not have as I talk and discuss with you matters very seriously and with respect, by saying that "Vishnu has 1000 names attached to him."  Turkish has similar concept.  The Turanian Sky God concept in which God being present everywhere and at all times expresses an omnipotent and omnipresent entity.  GOD having the form of everything results in attributing many names to Him.  So, one of the 1000 names of VISHNU the God representing the sun and sunlight should not surprise you. 
 

As a complementary enlightening, I would like to share with you the following: From url athttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishnu, we have the following statement: 
 

"In the Dvaita[4] Vaishnava traditions, Vishnu is the Supreme Being. Within the Advaita traditions, Vishnu is viewed as one of many 'forms' of the ultimately formless Brahman, however Smarta adherents worship Vishnu as one of the five principal forms. In virtually all the Sanatana Dharma traditions, Vishnu is worshipped, either directly or through the Narasimha, Ramaand Krishna avataras."

So, in Hinduism, the name KRISHNA is also related to VISHNU by way of being an AVATAR of Vishnu. Again from a source in Wikipedia, that is, from the url http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar, we have the definition of AVATAR as: 
 

"In Hindu philosophy, an avatar, avatara or avataram (Sanskrit: अवत, IAST: avatāra), most commonly refers to theincarnation (bodily manifestation) of a higher being (deva), or the Supreme Being (God) onto planet Earth. The Sanskrit wordavatāra- literally means "descent" (avatarati) and usually implies a deliberate descent into lower realms of existence for special purposes. The term is used primarily in Hinduism, for incarnations of Vishnu whom many Hindus worship as God."


Polat Kaya:
 I like to bring to the notice of the readers that the Sanskrit term AVATAR or AVATARA, where V is a Y, is the restructured form of the Turkish word "YARATA" (YARATI) meaning "that which is created" or "YARATI O" meaning "it is that which is created".  In Turkish GOD concept, God is able to create and manifest itself in all kinds of forms. Thus this Sanskrit term AVATARA meaning "descent" is indeed sourced from Turkish "YARATI" or "YARATI O". Similarly, I find that the Sanskrit term  AVATARAM is  a restructured, altered and Sankritised form of the Turkish word "YARATMA O" meaning "it is creation". Furthermore, the "English" term "CREATOR" is the restructured form of the Turkish word "YARATUR" meaning "it creates". God is a creator and "He/She/It creates", that is, in Turkish "O YARATUR". 
 

When the name KRISHNA is rearranged letter-by-letter as "KINASH-R", I find the Turkish name "KÜNESH ER" (GÜNESH ER) meaning "The SUN Man".  Well, is this a coincidence?!!! We again find that Vishnu has created himself as the SUN (KUN) which means light and heat. So indeed the source of the name KRISHNA is again in Turkish and that source connects Krishna the Sun to Vishnu the ISHIN.
 

Finally, KRISHNA being an "avatar" of VISHNU, also has the name BALAKRISHNA meaning the "Young Krishna".  In this name, "BALA" is a Turkish word that means "young child".  Thus, even in the name BALAKRISHNA, which is a name that is is used very widely in Indian culture, the prefix Turkish word BALA is a testimony that when this name was coined by the Brahmins who manufactured the language of "Sanskrit", Turkish language was unquestionably there, that is, in INDIA!  

 

My very best wishes to you as always,
 

Polat Kaya
 




Ram Varmha wrote:
 

Dear Polat Bey,

 

It was with some ammusement that I read this post of yours. I do not have time to go through each and every item of yours. But, for brevity let me explain the etymology of Vishnu.

 

The way you take the name Vishnu, written in English and by rearraging the letters around to find some Turkish meaning, is in itself false because in Sanskrit the name Vishnu is written, not in English style, but the following way:

 

First there is just the letter "va", to which is added "e" to make a composite "vi".

 

Next comes the composite "shnu" which is made up of "sha" + "Na" + "u" = "shNu". The N here is as in "uNder".

 

So if you break up the name Vishnu, it will not be like writing in English, using letter by letter, but the break will be = (va + e) + (sha + Na + u). 

 

Now, how in the world, can "(va e)" + "(sha na u)" be rearranged to "ISHNO"? Are you suggesting that the ancient Hindus used English letters to transform from Turkish to Sanskrit? Hmm! Very enlightening, isn't it?

 

The name Vishnu comes from the Sanskrit root vis', meaning enter, pervade. The meaning then is "he one who pervades every thing". This word has nothing to do with sun or sun-light!

 

Sorry, your definition is not acceptable.

 

I do not mean this as a disrespect to you, Sir, but why do you continue to look for Turkish equivalents to all the words in the world? You must know that it is impossible for any one or any group of people to purposely encrypt words from Turkish to the many languages in the world. What would be the common purpose of such an endeavour? It is not logical.

 

Turkish is a beautiful language, with majestic words and pleasant pronounciations. Why do you try to bring controversial, unacceptable and wrong interpretations to an already beautiful language, by going on and on, finding meaningless encryptions to try to prove that all the world's languages came from Turkish - not even directly - but by some clever manipulation, by people unknown, to rob words from Turkish and use it as their own in some subversive manner? How can rational people believe such concepts?   

 

Just as a teaser, let me point to you that Vishnu has 1000 names attached to him. You may want to go to Stanza 1, in the middle of the text to start reading the 1000 different names of Vishnu. The link below gives all the thousand names and their meanings. Would you care to find encrypted Turkish meanings to all of them?. Be my guest!

 

As I mentioned earlier, I mean no disrespect to you. But, I find it troublesome to read your interpretations, which cannot be substantiated. Sorry to put it this way.

 

Wishing you the very best.

 

http://tinyurl.com/ynrp9j

 

Ram




Polat Kaya <tntr@...> wrote:

Dear Ram Varmha and Dear Friends,


Greetings. I will identify a number of Sanskrit and English words which are very related to the OM concept in Hinduism.

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