Re: Part-13: About the
ancient Greek god's name "ZEUS".
Dear NEDA (Frank Verhoft)
In your response to
Ram Varmha regarding my Zeus paper, you wrote:
> Concerning
your question about Zeus, may i refer to
> <http://www.bartleby.com/61/25/Z0012500.html> .
>
> In short, Zeus
indeed is related to the Indo-Iranian forms you mentioned.
> Any perceived
connection with Turkish or Turkic is -- and how can i
> say this in a
polite way -- slightly delusional.
>
> I hope this
helps a bit.
>
> Regards,
>
> Neda
And in another
response you also wrote:
>> I wonder if Zeus is cognate with Deayus/Devas, thw Avesta/Vedic
name for
>> God or Almighty?
>> Ram
>>
> Hi,
>
> Concerning your question about Zeus, may i refer to
> <http://www.bartleby.com/61/25/Z0012500.html>
.
>
> I must warn you, though, that the explanation in this article has
> scientific relevance, quite an exception on this list.
>
> Neda
First of all, if you are of the opinion that this list is lacking scientific
relevance and is not to your taste, then why are you still here? I would think
that you would have found another list where you could find information more
suitable to your taste. You try to give the impression that you are a casual
visitor on this list but somehow I get the feeling that you are watching this
list vigilantly.
I can understand
your difficulty in relating the name Zeus to any Turkish source. Most likely
you are one well-conned and well-conditioned reader that automatically believes
the make-believe authenticity of the so-called Indo-European languages.
Once again, for
your information, what is termed
"Indo-European" languages are actually languages that have been
artificially manufactured from the Turkish language contrary to falsely
established beliefs. In other words, in the distant past, there were no
"Indo-European" languages before they were manufactured from Turkish.
This fact is not readily acknowledgeable because a lot of misleading and
contrary history has been written. Yet I have demonstrated the validity of this
view over and over again by analyzing words
belonging to Greek, Latin and other "Indo-European" languages and
clearly showing their Turkish sources. In this regard the name ZEUS is no
different. Obviously what I am saying is alien to you, and hence you are
upset.
It seems to me that
you did not read the contents of my paper carefully. What I wrote in my paper
is above and beyond what you may read in books and web articles. You probably
reacted reflexively as soon as you saw the Turkish connection in my paper.
You see, the
reference you gave is similar to other sources which give mostly known things
about ZEUS. This is only the tip of an "iceberg"
that the name "ZEUS" represents. The presentation provided in such
writings is always in riddle form and consists of half truths and half lies. It
is not necessarily the fault of the writers of such material, because they too
have been deliberately conned and fed partially correct and partially incorrect
mythology. Some of the unseen esoteric bottom parts of the name ZEUS are what I
wrote about in my paper. Please read it again very carefully and without
pre-conceived notions. I can assure you that I have done my homework completely
and that what I am saying is real and accurate.
For example, your reference says that the name "pater", meaning
"father", is Indo-European, and you may also think so as well, but
its source is definitely in Turkish - contrary to all the disinformation out
there. The word "PATER' is actually an altered form of the Turkish
expression "APATIR" meaning "it is father". By
"altered" I mean that the source text in Turkish has been scrambled,
restructured and disguised so that it is not recognizable as Turkish any more.
In the so-called Indo-European word PATER, the "PA" component
is really Turkish "APA" meaning "father' while the
"TER" component is the Turkish verbal suffix "TIR/TUR"
meaning "it is".
Similarly, the name "ZUE PATER" meaning "father Zeus",
as given in your reference, is actually from the Turkish expression "ZU
APATIR" (SU APATIR) meaning "it is water father". This defines
one aspect of Zeus again in Turkish. Please study these words very carefully
and then make your linguistic judgement, that is, if you are a linguist. If you
stop being so quick in jumping to conclusions, you will find, to your surprise,
that they are the same both in meaning and structure. Evidently, the ancient
Greek and Latin "linguists" were excellent at plagiarizing and disguising
the Turkish language. They did their best to make sure that they do not get
caught while usurping the Turkish linguistic texts as source for names and
words that they generated for their manufactured languages. They were quite
successful at what they were doing, but that does not change the fact that the
languages that they came up with were artificial and were made up from the very
ancient language of Turkish.
Your reference source which you call scientifically relevant also gives the
name "Zeu pater" meaning ło father Zeus˛ as another name for Zeus. In
my paper I outlined that one of the concepts that the name ZEUS personified was
"water", that is, Turkish "SU" (ZU). This concept of water
also appears in Sumerian writings as "AP-ZU" or "ZU-AP"
which is actually Turkish "SU APA" meaning "Father Water"
or "EN-ZU" meaning "Lord Water" from Turkish "HAN SU'
meaning the same. Thus even in this context, ZEUS or "ZUE
PATER" is an usurpation of the Turko-Sumerian
culture which did not belong to the ancient Greeks. So please think about this
one as well. Also please do not forget that the ancients believed that there
were four divine elements that were essential on earth. They were
"water" (Sumerian "ZU" and Turkish "SU"),
"air" (Turkish "HAVA"), "soil" or
"earth" (Sumerian "EN-KI" which is Turkish "HAN
KAYA" or "HAN YER") and "fire" represented by the sun
(Sumerian "EN-UTU" and Turkish "HAN OD"). In Sumerian
"air" was represented by "EN-LIL" as "air and
wind" god. Sumerian "EN-LIL" and Turkish "HAN YEL" are
one and the same.
This word "DELUSIONAL", that you disrespectfully used, is also a
stolen word from Turkish. The root for it is supposedly the word
"DELUSION" meaning "act of deluding, a misleading of mind; false
belief; fixed misconception, hallucination or being irrational". Of
course these meanings attributed to this word do not tell the true meaning of
the word. They simply beat around the bush. The real source of DELUSION is the
Turkish word "DELISUN" meaning "you are crazy". Evidently
the Turkish word "DELISUN" has been stolen, restructured and made
into an "English" word with skewed or misleading meanings attributed
to it. In reference sources the word is said to be from "DELUDE" from
Latin "DELUDERE" meaning "play, mock". This is again not so
truthful since the meaning has been altered. It is expected because Latin is
also a manufactured language from Turkish. The Latin word
DELUDERE, when reconstructed letter-by-letter as "DELEDER-U", is a
distorted form of the Turkish expression "DELIDIR U" meaning "he
is crazy". Even the word "DELUDE"
is the distorted form of Turkish "DELIDU" meaning "he is
crazy". As you can see, these words, that is, DELUDE, DELUDERE, DELUSION
and DELUSIONAL all have the implied meaning of "craziness" in them
and they are all made from the Turkish root word "DELI" (DELU)
meaning "crazy". Now after explaining all of these to you, I assure you that I am not "DELUSIONAL" nor am I
trying to deceive anyone. Deceivers are those who have given misleading
etymologies in dictionaries that millions of people read and innocently believe
without ever even thinking of questioning their validity. I am simply sharing,
with the readers, my very carefully researched and analyzed insights that are
not heard elsewhere.
My best wishes to you and all,
Polat Kaya
Neda wrote:
----------
>From:
"Neda" <beijinhosbe@...>
>To: Ram Varmha <varmha@...>
>Subject:
[hrl_2] Re: Part-13: About the ancient Greek god's name "ZEUS".
>Date:
>
>
> Dear sir,
>
> In the HL2
group, i read your question.
>
>> I wonder
if Zeus is cognate with Deayus/Devas, thw Avesta/Vedic name for
>> God or
Almighty?
>> Ram
>
> Concerning
your question about Zeus, may i refer to
> <http://www.bartleby.com/61/25/Z0012500.html> .
>
> In short, Zeus
indeed is related to the Indo-Iranian forms you mentioned.
> Any perceived
connection with Turkish or Turkic is -- and how can i
> say this in a
polite way -- slightly delusional.
>
> I hope this
helps a bit.
>
> Regards,
>
> Neda
>
>
>
>
==============
> I wonder if Zeus is cognate with Deayus/Devas, thw Avesta/Vedic name
for
> God or Almighty?
> Ram
Hi,
Concerning your question about Zeus, may i refer to
<http://www.bartleby.com/61/25/Z0012500.html> .
I must warn you, though, that the explanation in this article has
scientific relevance, quite an exception on this list.
Neda
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>From: "Neda" <beijinhosbe@...>
>To: Polat_Kaya-owner@yahoogroups.com
>Subject:
[hrl_2] Re: Part-13: About the ancient Greek god's name "ZEUS".
>Date: Mard 26 avri 2005
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> For any real data on the name/word Zeus see:
> http://www.bartleby.com/61/25/Z0012500.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Neda