Affinity between DRAVIDIAN
and TURKISH
Dear Ram Varmha,
Thank you for your
letter regarding the name Dravidian. My respond follows.
You said:
"It is my
understanding that the word Tamil (properly Tamizh) has been
identified with
Dravida, the Sanskrit generic definition for the South
Indian peoples and
their languages."
"Therefore, I
am confused about the etymology of the name 'Dravidian',
as in the portion
of your text below. Are you not comparing a late
1800AD word,
Dravidian, (coined by an Englishman), with Turkish or
Turkic, as the base
of origin for that word, to establish relationship
between Dravidian
and Turanian? Furthermore, the suffix 'ian' is an
anglicized
additive, such as Ind - Ind_ian; Dravid - Dravid_ian."
Thus DRAVIDA from
the Sanskrit source says that they were an ancient
peoples.
There is a
reference saying that the Sanskrit term "dravida" means
"south".
This meaning is not relevant to the name DRAVIDA. As it is
understood from
your definition above, the term DRAVIDA describes the
identity of a group
of ancient peoples. The name does not have any
relation to the
"south", i.e., even if DRAVIDA people were living in a
much more northern
geography, they would still be known by the name
DRAVIDA. Evidently,
the final destination of the Dravidians was
the South Indian
continent and southeast Asia. Their Turkish-like
agglutinative
language is an indication that they were one of the
branches of the
ancient Turanian "Tur/Turk peoples, who, like many
other Tur/Turk
peoples, migrated from their homeland in Turan in Asia
to many other parts
of the world. Thus the name DRAVIDA must refer to
tribal roots and
also to their religious Sky-God deity with whom they were
associated. The
name TUR is one name of the ancient Turanian Sky-God. This
name is also known
in the form of TYR or THOR in western languages.
Of course TUR is
the generic name of the TUR/TURK peoples also. In ancient
times the
identification of religious affiliation of the people within
their tribal identity
name was an important aspect of the name.
When British
linguist Bishop Caldwell used the term DRAVIDIAN, in
actuality he was
not coining a new word, but rather he was using the
already available
Sanskrit term DRAVIDA and was adding an IAN suffix
to it. Although,
the term DRAVIDIAN is not ancient, the root term
DRAVID, DRAVIDA,
etc. is ancient as you have also indicated.
Turkish being the
Turanian language is a very ancient language
contrary to the
views of the establishment. It is my view that
without knowing
Turkish and Turkish culture, modern linguists
are not going to
solve their problems. Turkish is the so-called
"PROTO"
language that linguists are looking for. Even the name
"PROTO"
is from Turkish "BIRATA" meaning "one father".
My view in the
analysis of the etymology of the word DRAVIDA is that
it is a composite
word made up of "DR + AVI + DA" from Turkish words
of "TUR + AVI
+ DI". In this composition, the word DR or DUR, is the
term TUR which is a
generic name for the TUR/TURK peoples. AVI is the
Turkish term
"EVI" (ÖYÜ, OYU) meaning "the house, home, homeland,
country" and
DI or IDI is the verbal suffix of the verb "to be", that
is,
"OLMAK" in Turkish. Thus in modern Turkish, the whole composition
means "TUR +
EVI + IDI" literally meaning "Tur + the house + was"
indicating that
"they were TUR homes (peoples)". TUR peoples spoke
TURKISH and they
have done that since very ancient times. Regarding
the word
"TUR" or "DUR", the following examples can help to
understand
it better. For
example:
a) The name TURKIA
(TURCIA) is a living example of it. It is made up
from "TURK +
IA" ("TÜRKIYE", "Türk öyü") meaning "Home of
Turks" or
"house of
Turks" The suffix -IA, and/or -YE are versions of old
Turkish
word "ÖY"
meaning "home, house, land, country". In the name TURKIA,
there is the root
word TUR embedded in it.
b) The name
"THRACIA" (TIRAKIA) is an anagram of Turkish "TURUK OYU"
(TURK OYU) again
meaning "home of Turks" which again has the root word
TUR in it.
c) The name
ETRURIA, the land of ancient ETRUSCANS, is also the
anagram of Turkish
expression "TUR ER OYU" meaning "home of TUR men".
Both names ETRURIA
and ETRUSCANS have TUR embedded in them..
d) The ancient name
TROY is a distortion of Turkish "TUR ÖY" again
meaning "House
of Turs". The root word TR and TUR are in the name.
e) In a similar
manner, so is the name DRAVIDIAN as I explained above.
Regarding
Dravidians, Michael Wood writes the following: [1]
"A new picture
has begun to emerge, only since the 1980s. The crucial
discovery has been
the proving beyond any doubt, that the ancient
pre-Aryan language
of Iran, Elamite, is cognate with the ancient
Dravidian languages
still spoken in Southern India, best known of
which is Tamil.
These languages descend from a prehistoric speech
spoken today in
Iran and northwestern India, and doubtless in the
early villages like
Mehrgarh: indeed a pocket of related language,
Braui, is still
spoken today in a small area of West Pakistan on the
Iranian border. The
original proto-language split up around 5000 BC,
at a guess, after
the invention of agriculture, to judge by its common
terminology in
Elamite and Dravidian."
"The Indus
civilization was almost certainly Dravidian, its culture
closely related to
Elamite world of Iran." [2]
Pre-Iranian culture
was Turanian culture and civilization before the
Aryans. Indus
civilization was also a Turanian culture like the
Sumerian culture
was. Dravidian being related to these ancient
cultures ties them
all together and also to Turkish. They are all
agglutinative
languages although historians and linguists are
conditioned not to
mention the name Tur/Turk.
Just because we are
told that British linguist Bishop Caldwell coined
the term Dravidian
in the 1800's, we should not automatically assume
that he invented it
from scratch or that his coined term is pure
English. Evidently
the Bishop Caldwell took the ancient name
DRAVID or DRAVIDA
and converted it into the present form of DRAVIDIAN
as an English word.
However this newly formed form of the word does
not wipe away the
ancientness of the root name. Additionally the
suffix IAN does not
belong to the English language at all in origin.
The so-called
"English" suffix IAN is really a version of Turkish expression
"OY + AN"
("IA + AN", "öyler") meaning "houses, homes". The
suffix AN
is an ancient
Turkish suffix indicating plurality. We must also
understand that the
sources offering the etymology of Dravidian as
"coined by
British linguist Bishop Caldwell in the 1800's" does not
constitute an
etymology at all. Such an atymology would simply be a
sophistry
obliterating its Turkic origin.
Similarly the IAN
at the end of the word INDIAN is also Turkic in
origin. Tur/Turk
peoples have been in India throughout the known
history. For that
reason, INDIA is known as HINDUSTAN in Turkish. The
magnificent
TAJ-MAHAL, a marble mausoleum built (1631-1645) at Agra,
India, by the
Turkic Mogul Emperor Shah Jahan, in memory of his wife,
is one of the
recent monuments left behind by Turkic peoples in India.
When documentaries
"inform" us that it was built by a "Moslem ruler",
they are
deliberately avoiding the term "Turkish ruler" in order to
bury the Turkicness
of this wonder. Even the architect of the Taj
Mahal was Turkish
(Isa Celebi). Turks and the Turkish language have
significantly
impacted in the make up of the URDU language.
Through extensive
research into many English language words, I have
discovered that
English, just like Greek, Latin and other
European languages,
is an artificially manufactured language using
Turkish words and
phrases as source material which are then
anagrammatized into
"English" to diguise the Turkic origin. The suffix
IAN is one such
restructured suffix from Turkish. This is not known by
linguists.
For example,
compare the following Dravidian words with corresponding
Turkish words for
very close affinity of these two languages. (The
Dravidian source is
from internet site called "A DRAVIDIAN
ETYMOLOGICAL
DICTIONARY", by T. Burrow and M. B. Emeneau. I wish to
salute these
authors for the excellent work that they have done in
providing us with
such a dictionary on Dravidian languages) at URL:
http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/burrow/
1. Dravidian (Dr.):
AN upper part;
Turkish (Tr.)
"AN" meaning "sky" as in "TANRI" meaning
"GOD" from
"aTa + AN +
ERI" (ATA AN ERI) meaning "Father Man of Sky".
2. Dr. ANNAL
greatness, exaltation, superiority, great man, king, god;
Tr. "HAN AN
AL" meaning "Lord Sky Red" referring to sun god. Tr. HAN king.
3. Dr. ENRU the sun;
Tr. TANRU god, sun
god.
4. Dr. ADDI heat of
the sun;
Tr. ODDI "it
is hot", "it is fire"
5a. Dr, ACCAN
father, lord; ACCA mother;
Tr. ECHE father,
mother; ECHE HAN lord father, lord mother.
5b) Dr. AJJA
grandfather; AJJI grandmother.
Tr. ECHE
greatfather or greatmother, that is, for the elder and/or
head person of the
house.; it is a duality term which can be used for
both man and women
leader of the family. For example, Tr. TANRIÇE
(goddess) is from
"TANRI ECHE" (god greatmother).
6. Dr. PULLI,
PULLE, BOLLE mark, dot, speck, spot.
Tr. PULLU meaning
with specks, dots,. marks.
7. Dr. (Tu.)
KAR-BULE, KAR-BOLLE a fowl having white plumage with
black spots.
Tr. KARA PULLU
meaning "with black spots, specks".
8. Dr. (Ta.) ARAM
moral or religious duty, virtue;
Tr. AR virtue,
modesty, honesty, bashful, chaste.
9. Dr. (Ta.) KATA
cut through ridge of paddy-field to let surplus
water run off;
Tr. AKIT meaning
"to let the water run off".
10. Dr. (Ta.) KATA
inferior, worse than;
Tr. KÖTÜ bad,
inferior, poor in quality.
11a. Dr. (Ta.) IRAI
anyone who is great (as one's father or guru or
any renowned and
illustrious person), master, chief, elder brother,
husband, king,
supreme god, height, head, eminence;
Tr. ER man,
husband, hero, warrior, soldier.
Tr. ERAY moon-man,
moon-god, venerable person.
11b. Dr. IRAIMAI
kingly superiority, celebrity, government,
divinity;
Tr. "ER AY
MA" meaning "magnificent moon man" referring to a divinity
or a superiority.
11c. Dr. IRAIVAN
god, chief, master, husband, venerable person;
Tr. "ER
AY-HAN" meaning "Man Moon-Lord" (god), lord man, head man.
12. Dr. (Ta.) ARU
(ARI-) state of being dried, etc.;
Tr. KURU dry, dried
up.
13. Dr. ARISU to
cause to go out, allay, dry (tr.);
Tr. KURUSU dried up
water.
14. Dr. AR (ART-)
to be dried, dry up, disappear;
Tr. ERI- to melt
away, to disappear as in snow melting and
disappearing.
15. Dr. ARIKE state
of growing or being dry or parched;
Tr. ARIK channel,
channel cut to dry up a watery land.
16. Dr. (Ta.) KANAL
(kanalv-, kananr-) sun, heat, sun's ray, light;
Tr. KUN (GÜN) sun;
KUN AL (AL GÜN) red hot sun, hot sun.
17. Dr. KANI
(-v-,-nt-) to be redhot, glow, get angry;
Tr. a) KUN (GÜN)
sun, b) KAN blood, blood colour; c) KAN OL becoming
blood red as one
gets angry ( Turkish "Yüzü KAN GIBI OLMAK" meaning
"face gettin
very red when angry").
18. Dr. KANARCI
heat, glow, anger;
Tr. KIZARAN glowing
red hot, and also face getting red when one gets
angry.
19. Dr. (Ta.) KARU
black;
Tr. KARA black.
20. Dr. KARUKKAL
darkness, twilight, cloudiness;
Tr. KARA GOK dark
sky; KARANLUK darkness.
21. Dr. (Ta.) KARU
sunburnt paddy crop;
KARUKKU (karukki-)
to darken by heat, burn, scorch, toast, fry;
KARUKU (karuki-) to
be scorched, blackened by fire or sun;
Tr. KURAKLUK
drought, causing burned out crop by sun. KURU dry.
22. Dr. (Ta.)
APPAN, APPU father;
Tr. BABA, APA father
23. Dr. APPACCI
father;
Tr. BABACIK dear
father, endearnment of father.
24. Dr. APPATTAI
elder sister;
Tr. APLA / ABLA
elder sister.
25. Dr. (Ta.) ATTAN
father, elder, person of rank or eminence;
Tr. ATA father, ATA
HAN lord father, elder person of rank or eminence;
26. Dr. ATTISU to
cause to evaporate by boiling;
Tr. ATTI SU (SU
ATTI) threw away its water, evaporated.
27. Dr. ANTARISU to
evaporate, as water by boiling;
Tr. SUYUNI ATAR it
throws away its water, it evaporates.
28. Dr. (To.) POT
mountain (esp. tit pot id.).
Tr. "TEPE hill;
29. Dr. (Ka.)
BETTA, BETTU big hill, mountain;
Tr. TEPETU "it
is hill, it is mountain".
30. Dr. (Te.) AMMA,
AMA mother, matron; hon. title of woman;
Tr. ANA, ANNA, ANNE
mother; MAMA, MEME mother, mother's breast.
31. Dr. (To.) UF
IN- (ID-) to blow, blow away (e.g. ashes);
Tr. ÜFLEMEK to
blow, blow away.
32. Dr. (Ka.) UPH,
UPHI sound emitted when strongly blowing with the
mouth to remove
impurities;
Tr. ÜFLEMEK (ISLIK)
to blow whisle.
33. Dr. (Ta.)
IYANKU (IYANKI-) to move, stir, go, proceed, walk about;
in.movement, act of
going;
Tr.
"UYANUK" being awake, moving, stirring, going. Almost identical.
34. Dr. (Ta. )
TIRAGANI, TIRAGANE, TIRUGANI, TIRUGANE, TIRUGUNI
turning, that which
turns, a wheel for raising water;
Tr. TONERGAN
(dönergen) that which turns, that which returns.
Note: It seems that
the Dravidian suffixes -LI and -CI are very
similar to Turkish
-LI and -CI.
Ram, this is a
small sample that I researched in my very limited time.
With all these
examples, Dravidian and Turkish can be regarded as being
very related to
each other as their names also suggest. In fact, they
are almost sister
languages. Over thousands of years of separation,
they have somehow
been alienated from each other.
I hope this answers
your question.
My best wishes to
you in your endeavor,
Polat Kaya
02/10/2004
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> Ram Varmha
wrote:
>
> Dear Dr. Polat
Kaya,
>
> I was very
interested in your article on Tur-Turk of Turania. Ref:
> ANCIENT
TURS/TURKS OF TURAN AND THEIR LEGACIES TO THE WORLD
>
("Sumerians" - Ancient Turanian Tur/Turk people)By POLAT KAYA
>
>
> However, I
will appreciate clarification on the paragraph below, re
> Dravidians. It
is my understanding that the word Tamil (properly
> Tamizh) has
been identified with Dravida, the Sanskrit generic
> definition for
the South Indian peoples and their languages. The
> word was
derived from old Buddhist and Jain texts; Dramilia,
> Dramila,
Damila, Tamizha, Tamizh, Tamil. The South Indian language
> family of
Tamil, Malayalam, Telugu and Kannada was given the name
> 'Dravidian' by
the eminent British linguist Bishop Caldwell in his
> Comparative
Grammar of the Dravidian Languages, 1875. The word
> Dravidian was
Caldwell's creation; nothing ancient about that.
>
> Therefore, I
am confused about the etymology of the name
> 'Dravidian',
as in the portion of your text below. Are you not
> comparing a
late 1800AD word, Dravidian, (coined by an
> Englishman),
with Turkish or Turkic, as the base of origin for that
> word, to
establish relationship between Dravidian and Turanian?
> Furthermore,
the suffix 'ian' is an anglicized additive, such as Ind
> - Ind_ian;
Dravid - Dravid_ian.
>
> Will you
kindly clarify?
>
> Thanks and
with regards.
>
> Ram Varmha
>
>
>
> http://www.compmore.net/~tntr/tur1.html
>
> DRAVIDIAN
>
> Some scholars
bring forth the similarities between the DRAVIDIAN and
> Sumerian
languages. Encyclopaedia Britannica World Languages
> Dictionary
[1963, Vol.1, p. 384] defines DRAVIDIAN as follows:
>
> "ONE
BELONGING TO THE MOST ANCIENT INDIGENOUS RACE OF SOUTHERN
> INDIA. A
NON-INDO-EUROPEAN FAMILY OF AGGLUTINATIVE LANGUAGES SPOKEN
> PRIMARILY IN
SOUTHERN INDIA AND NORTHERN CEYLON, INCLUDING TAMIL,
> MALAYALAM,
KANARESE, AND TELUGU".
>
> Let us examine
the etymology of the name DRAVIDIAN: "DR-AVIDI-AN" <
> Turkish
"DuR-AVIDI-AN" (TUR-EVIDI-LER) meaning "They were Houses of
> Turs".
Indeed this is most enlightening. What everybody keeps
> calling
"Dravidian" without knowing who they were ethnically turns
> out to be the
most ancient Tur/Turk people of India. Their name
>
"DUR-AVIDI-AN" / "TUR-EVIDI-LER" tells it in plain Turkish.
But
> writing the
name in such a concatenated manner makes them
> unrecognizable
as Turkish. This is a form of anagrammatizing or
> disguising of
Turkish language names and titles. There appears to
> be a deception
being perpetrated which the scholars should take note
> of. We must
note that the cleverly disguised word DR is nothing but
> the word
DUR/TUR indicating the name of TUR/TURK peoples. Secondly
> the term AVIDI
is nothing but the Turkish phrase EV-IDI meaning "It
> was the house
of". And thirdly, the ancient Turkic term AN has a
> number of
meanings expressed by it, one of which is the ancient
> Turkic
plurality suffix, presently -LER/LAR in Turkish. [7] [For AN
> as Turkish
plurality suffix, see Karl H. Menges, "The Turkic
> Languages and
Peoples An Introduction to Turkic Studies", Otto
> Harrassowitz,
Wiesbaden, 1968, p. 111]. The suffix -ian that
> appears at the
end of many names such as Sumer-ian, actually is from
> Turkic phrase
'ui-an" (uyler/öyler) meaning "the houses". The
> suffix refers
to the branches of peoples separated from the main
> family of Turs.