Re: [hrl_2] Re: "Words Under the Lens Series"-#2: The latin word "FERRAMENTUM" sourced from Turkish.
Dear David L,
Thank you. I see no problem David! All Greek sources are altered Turkish words, hence, they are already intentionally mutilated, distorted and confused. The Semitic sources are also the same. You, in your below writing, also indicated that HEBREW is "OBR" (O-BR or OB-R) which verifies my response to you dated 16/12/2007.
BR is not a word as it stands. In order to be a word, it needs a vowel between B and R. In this case, the missing vowel is the Turkish letter I, thus, making the word "O BIR" or "BIR O" meaning "He is ONE" (ONLY ONE) which is the name of the ancient Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples' "Sky God". Turkish BIR is the numeral "one". But, it is also the "number" of the Sky-God (GÖK-TANRI) since God is regarded as "ONE" and "ONLY ONE". The term HEBREW is a totally distorted and disguised form of this Turkish phrase describing the Sky-God concept. Hence, it is a "GODLY" concept elevating the people who use it as an ethnic name. The restructuring Turkish "O BIR" or "BIR O" into HEBREW makes it a stolen concept from Turkish into Semitic since the very ancient times.
To analyze the word I am not entirely sure, the roots are either ob + r, or they are o + br; in either case r probably means "move" and o probably means "about", and I do not know the meaning of br or of ob (whichever is correct). But together obr means "cross (over)", as best as I am able to translate based on contextual evidence.
Here, your description becomes not very likely, because: why would a people take a name that means "move" or "cross (over)"? What does it mean as a name for a people? In what manner it is an elevating name? Unless, they want to refer to their own "moving", that is, "wandering" habits which the Semites were. But this they have done by the Turkish word "YEL" simplified as "EL" or "IL" or simply "L" meaning "wind". So your explanation is not likely.
Best wishes to you and to all,
David L wrote:
Ok, good answers Polat, but there is a problem with your suggestion of a connection to the word Hebrew.The Hebrew word for "Hebrew" is the correct source of that word and it is spelled ayin beth rosh.In Greek transliteration it was ebr.I generally transliterate ayin as o.so ayin beth rosh is obr; but however it is transliterated, ayin is not an 'h', and originally did not relate to an 'h' phoneme.Also this word seems to most closely mean "cross", and it was used to mean probably "foreigner" though I am not sure, just that obr means "cross" and is used in contexts meaning "cross over".In the days when Yiddish speakers were beginning to learn modern Hebrew they would pronounce the word /ibrit/, again ayin beth rosh.To analyze the word I am not entirely sure, the roots are either ob + r, or they are o + br; in either case r probably means "move" and o probably means "about", and I do not know the meaning of br or of ob (whichever is correct). But together obr means "cross (over)", as best as I am able to translate based on contextual evidence.Dave--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Polat Kaya <tntr@...> wrote:Dear David L,Turkish word TEMÜR (DEMÜR, DEMIR) is the word that means "iron". -DENis a Turkish suffix when added to TEMÜR, word becomes TEMÜRDEN,thatis, "TEMÜR-DEN" which means "made of iron" (made from iron). Furthermore, there is another Turkish suffix -UM added to theword,which makes the word TEMÜRDENÜM, that is, "TEMÜR-DEN-ÜM" meaning "Iammade of iron". This is exactly the meaning that has beenattributed tothe manufactured Latin word "FERRAMENTUM".Since the Latin word is an anagrammatized and restructured form oftheTukish expression TEMÜRDENÜM, the meaning of "iron" which wasexpressedby the word "TEMÜR" has now been given to the front end of the word "FERRAMENTUM" (FERRA-MENTUM) which is FERRA. Thus what was "TEMÜR"inTurkish, now became "FERRA" in the so-called "Latin". Hence thereis anintentional shift of "iron" concept from TEMÜR to FERRA bothmeaning"iron". In this deceptive construction, FERRA is being presented asifit was the root word for "FERRAMENTUM" and other similar words. Infact,it was not!Regarding your reference to the word "Brazil", I do not believethat thecountry name BRAZIL means "IRON" just because country is rich with "iron". Additionally, I do not believe that the "Hebrew"word "brzl"which you say means "iron" is the source for the countryname "Brazil".However, I would say that the country names of most of the South American countries are concocted by the Judeo-Christianitymissionarieswho were essentially "Wind" (Storm-god) believers. With thisinsight,the name "BRAZIL" is the Turkish expression "BIR AZ IL" which hasatleast two meanings:a) "One Peerless Wind" which describes the ancient "storm god" ENLIL. We should remember that ancient Semites believed theSumerian thestorm God "ENLIL", which is "HAN YEL" in Turkish meaning "the Wind Lord". You may remember that I discussed this matter in my papers regarding the "Tower of Babylon" which you will find it in PolatKayaLibrary.b) "One peerless country" which is in the ancient Turanian wayofnaming a country by elavating its name to a sacred state. Turkish words BIR means "one", AZ means "peerless" or "few" and IL(YIL/ YEL) means "wind", IL also means "country", HAN means "Lord" andELmeans "hand". The symbol of wind was a "tornado' represented witha"hand symbol" coming out of the clouds.Additionally, the word "brzl" is not even a proper word but ratheranaccumulation of consonants without any wovels between them. It is actually a skeleton of many similarly structured words. With such misleading verbal constructions, the gaps between the consonantscan befilled with different wovels as the reader wishes leading to wordsofmany forms.Further, the name "Hebrew" was given to ancient Masarians,Canaanitesand Phoenicians. HEBREW name, deciphered as "HE-BER-UY", is a distorted and disguised form of the Turkish phrase "AHA BIR ÖY"meaning"One Lord House" which refered to the houses of the rulers of these peoples. Additionally it was he Turkish phrase "AHA BIR O"meaning "OneLord He" (One Lord God) which was the name of the ancient TuranianSkyCreator God and also the godly titles of the rulers of thesepeoples.The Masarian Pharaohs in their own language were called PERU (PIR-O,BIR-O) which made them the Sky God Kings or HAKANS. So, the nameHEBREWhad a Turkish origin before it was Semitized. So, it seems thattheJewish people adopted this ancient Turkish name for Sky God as anamefor themselves. Turkish AHA (AKA, AGA) means "Lord", BIRmeans "One", ÖYmeans "house" and O means "he/she/it".Best wishes to you and to all during these on coming holiday season,Polat Kaya16/12/2007David L wrote:If dem or tem means "made from" then how did it come tomean "iron"(type of metal) ? Also it is not clear that it is related toferra.It may be, I just don't see that, it is not clear.I do know the country Brazil is so called because it is rich inironand brzl is the Ancient Hebrew word for "iron".--- In email@example.com, Polat Kaya <tntr@> wrote:Dear Friends,The word #2 of the "Words Under the Lens Series" is the LatinwordFERRAMENTUM which means "any instrument or tool made from iron",[Cassell's Compact Latin-English and English-latin dictionary, Cassel-London, 1962, p. 101].FERRAMENTUM deciphered letter-by-letter as "TEMURFENAM-R" whereFis analphabetical up shift from letter D, that is, D/F shift has takenplace,see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_cipher , thus, it is from restructured Turkish expression "TEMURDENEM" (DEMIRDENIM)meaning "I ammade of iron" which is the meaning attributed to this so-called "Latin"word.The word "FERRA" which is the cut off front end of the wordFERRAMENTUMand similarly the Latin word "FERRUM" supposedly means "iron".Itmustbe noted that the meaning and the concept of "iron" attributed tothisword comes from the Turkish word "TEMUR" (TEMIR, DEMIR) and not>from"FERRA" which is a meaningless part of a longer restructuredword.Whathas taken place in this anagrammatizing process is that themeaningof"TEMUR" (TEMIR, DEMIR) has been artificially shifted to FERRA(FERRUM)giving the false impression that as if "FERRA" is the root wordofFERRAMENTUM which it is not! Turkish suffix -DEN, -TEN means "from" and in this case itmeans "madefrom, made of" and the suffix -EM, -UM is the Turkish verbalsuffixofthe first person singular.Thus, all other Latin words such as FERRARIA, FERRARIUS,FERRATUS,FERREUS, FERRUGIMEUS, FERRUM, etc. having meanings realatedto "iron"and all similar words from other so-called "Indo-European"languages areall sourced from this above given Turkish expression. Türks of Central Asia are well known for their "ERGENEKON" storyinwhich an "iron" mountain was melted away before they started tomigrateto all parts of the world. Turks have mined and worked the ironore andsmelted it into all kinds of shapes for thousands of years. Oneofsuchiron instrument was the "the plough share" which has been used in agriculture ever since they invented the agricultural cultivationof thefields. The Turkish steel used in the make up of the Turkishswords andother military instruments were peerless among their rivals.Thus the source of this Latin word FERRAMENTUM is pure Turkish asgivenabove contrary to all the linguistic disinformation that has been perpetrated!Best wishes to all,Polat Kaya29/11/2007