Re: [bcn2004] Re: The ancient name of the city of "ROME" was "KIZIL ALMA"
Takdirkar sözlerin için tesekkür ederim. Sagol Kamil!. Gerek yerin altinda ve gerekse Batinin mahzenlerinde gizlice sakli belgeler içinde olasilikla eski Turan dünyasindan kalma Atalarimizin yarattigi sayisiz harikalar var. Onlari gün isigina çikarmak bizlerin atalarimiza olan bir borcu. Bu ugrasida küçük bir katkim bile olsa bu beni çok mutlu eder.
ALGONQUIAN konusu simdilik listemde degil. Sirasi geldiginde elbetteki bildiklerimi söylemeye çalisacagim.
Sana ve bütün okuyucularima iyi sagliklar ve mutluluklar diliyorum.
Kamil KARTAL wrote:
Polat Agam, ATAM!Ben boyle bir yazi daha okumadim, diyecegim ama bu defa BILGAMESH'lere ULUKORGOZ'lere, TURKISH ERA'lara haksizlik edecegim, hangi birini sayayim!Hepsi birbirinden guzel ve olaganustu yazilar tabii ama "Pantheon vs. Yurt" ile baslayan dizinin hem sonu pek gelmeyecek gibi gorunuyor hem de yeri cok bir ayri olmus. Kazdikca daha kim bilir nelerle karsilasacagiz. Bunlari en genis kitlelere ulastirmayi kendime bir gorev bildim, malumunuz, ama bu bilgiler ve bu kadar hazir, bu kadar lezzetli sekilde ayaklarina kadar ulastigi halde onlari hala daha okuyamayanlar adina da gercekten uzuluyorum.Sizden bir istirhamim olacak, aman lutfen ALGONQUIAN icin bizleri cok bekletmeyin! Kardesiniz Kamil --- In email@example.com, Polat Kaya <tntr@...> wrote:"KIZIL ELMA" WAS THE ANCIENT NAME OF THE CITY OF "ROME"ByPOLAT KAYAPART-1INTRODUCTIONAfter publishing my paper regarding the relation between the Pagan temple of "Pantheon" in Rome and the ancient Turanian Yurts, a new situation suddenly came to the surface. As I was trying to findsomeinformation about the poem "KIZIL ELMA" by the famed Turkish poet philosopher Ziya Gökalp, I was amazed by the information that Ifound inmy Redhouse Turkish-English Dictionary,  It defined KIZIL ELMAasbeing: "a) a legendary Turkish land in Central Asia, and b) inancienttimes, the name of the city of Rome."This is an eye opener indeed! It indicates that not only was thename"ROME" or "ROMA" not the real name of this ancient city, but itsrealname was in Turkish in the form of "KIZIL ALMA" meaning "GoldenApple"or "Red Apple". Evidently the British writers of the RedhouseTurkish -English dictionary knew much more about ancient "ROME" than thepublicat large. Particularly, the Romans or the Latins and/or theCatholicChurch officials know much more about the city's real ancient name -butthey never told the truth about it to the public. As usualeverythingabout them is in deep secrecy. That is, how they have beenoperating forthe last 2,000 years or more. In fact they intentionally kept the original name of Rome secret.The name ROMA (ROME), related to Turkish word "ARAMA" meaning "wandering", is very much a name of the ancient wandering peoples (gypsies) who had no civilization of their own except usurping and secrecy. Whenever they wanted to takeover a Turanian country, firsttheyinfiltrated into the state borders with peaceful looking means suchassetting up commercial selling stations in a corner of the country. After all, selling was their forte. On the surface, these selling stations look very innocent, i.e., a simple buy and sell station,butbelow the surface, it is really a penetration by an untrustableoutsiderinto the country. Once the outsider has established hisorganization forfuture activities, then at the opportune time, they seize thecontrol ofthe country. Then they exterminate or assimilate the nativepeoples ofthe land, they then change previous names into a broken up languageandfinally call this 'new civilization' as their own as if there wasnocivilization before them.Evidently this is what happened in the case of the ancient town of "ROMA" or "KIZIL ELMA" which was originally built by the Turanian Etruscan kings. Of course, the Turkish name "KIZIL ELMA" meaning "Golden Apple" or "Red Apple" given to a newly founded city is very meaningful because the name has connections to the name of the Sky-Godin accordance with the ancient Turanian tradition of naming thecapitalcities. Etruscans, being Turanian peoples, must have named theirnewcity similarly after their ancient Sky-God. This I intend toexplore inthis writing.After this new revelation, I did some additional research about theoldname of Rome. One book by an author named Frank J. Korn writes inhisbook, entitled "A Catholic's Guide to Rome: Discovering the Soul oftheEternal City" (also called "The Hidden Rome")-Page 7:"The Eternal City of? Rome. Many names such as "The Eternal City,Cityof seven Hills, City of the Caesars, City of Popes, See of Peter,andothers. A little tradition holds that Romulus and the otherfoundingfathers took the secret of the city's original name with them totheirgraves. It seems that for identification purposes they agreed tolet thecity be called Rome after Romulus, its first king, while notdisclosingthe actual name they had chosen. Only the Pontifex Maximus, Chief priest, was permitted to pronounce the sacred name and this onlybeforean altar while offering sacrifice and in such a low whisper so astorender it inaudible to those in attendance. It was considered the gravest of sacrileges, punishable by death on a cross, for anyonetodivulge the nomen verum. We learn these things from Pliny theelder."First of all Romulus was not the founding father of the city. Itwasthe Etruscan TARQUIN kings that founded the city and ruled for ahundredyears before they lost the city to so-called "Romans".Furthermore to keep this ancient city's name secret puts into focusthefact that the original city did not belong to the so-called peopleof"Latins" or to those who renamed the city as ROMA (ROME) for identification purposes. Just as car thieves change the color andserialnumber of a stolen car and then register it as their own, those whotookthe city from the original Etruscans changed all things related toitsoriginal Turanian identity and called it their own city. Evidently,thiswas the most developed tradition of these wandering peoples andthey didit with professional skill. This kind of secrecy keeps popping upallthe time as Dan Brown and others have indicated in their books.Ataullah Bogdan Kopanski in his writing entitled "Islamization of Shqeptaret: the Clash of Religions in Medieval Albania" at url: http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/quran/albanian/Albchapt.htm writes:"The 'news' and descriptions of the Christian lands were verycrucialfor the Muslim emirs of Asia Minor who wished to reach the land of legendary Kizyl Alma ('Red Apple), identified sometimes with the copper-covered dome of the Church of Hagia Sofia in Constantinople,andsometimes with the 'apple' over the basilic of St.Peter in Vatican."It is very interesting that the domes of Hagia Sofia and St,Peter'sBasilica should be identified with the name "KIZIL ELMA". As Ihavealready shown, the domes of these buildings are symbolization ofthe Sunand the Sky-Dome. The Domes of these churches and even many othersbeing"RED" (KIZIL) and "ROUND" makes them metaphorically "KIZILELMA". "KIZILELMA" literally means "Golden Apple" or "Red Apple" but symbolizestheSun God, the Moon God and the hunam head.Let us dwell a bit on the name "KIZIL ALMA" and see if we can tracethereason why the city would be called KIZIL ALMA or something similartoit. For the Turks the name KIZIL ELMA in one meaning, signifies theoldglory of the TURAN, that is, the Central Asia and the ancientTuranians.It means the Altai mountains, the Tanri Mountains and the rest ofit.The ancient name KIZIL ALMA meant "Golden Apple" and/or "Red Apple" representing the ancient Turanian Sun-Moon (AL-MA) and Sky (GÖK)basedreligion which traditionalized the advocasy of justice and peacefor allpeoples and the Turanian civilization that created many peerless advancements for humanity.The name was embodied in the city names such as "ALMATI" in CentralAsiawhich was the capital city (Tepe Kent, Bas Kent) of Kazakistan upuntilrecently when it was changed to a new site at the north of thecountry.The name "ALMATI" in one meaning means "It is apple". In the otherformof "AL-MA-ATA", it means the "SUN-MOON-FATHER" which signifies the religious concepts of the ancient Turanian "Sun-God (Gün-Tanri),theMoon-God (AY-Tanri) and the Sky-Father-God" (Gök-ATA-Tanri).Turkish"AL", like "KIZIL", means "red". Kizil also means "gold, golden".Thus"AL" or "KIZIL" is a Turkish adjective describing the "SUN", thatis,the sun at sunrise and sun at sunset. Normally the Sun looksgolden(yellow) but during sunrise and sunset, it appears red. The ancient Turkish word MA means "magnificent and Moon" as an alternative nameforTurkish "AY". ATA means "father" or "ancestor" and is a name oftheSky-Father God as the Creator Father.This ancient Turanian religion was a universal religion followedallover the world by Turanians wherever they went. The city of ROMEbeingreferred to as "KIZIL ELMA" is significant, because the city was originally built by the Turanians and was taken over by thewanderinggroups so-called "Latins" where even the name "LATIN" issuspicious. Butbefore the city of "ROME", there was another Turanian capital city called "ALBA LONGA" in its altered form within 19 kilometers of theCityof Rome.With this entry we learn that the ancient and older name of ROMEwasALBA LONGA or more likely KIZIL ALMA (Red Apple or Golden Apple)beforeit was converted into ROME.About the name "ALBA LONGA"In Cassell's Latin-English Dictionary, there is the followingdefinitionunder the name ALBA. "ALBA, ALBAE, ALBA LONGA, the oldest Latin town. Adjective ,ALBANUS -A,-UM, Alban; ALBENSES populi, people of Latium.1. ALBANI, see Alba.2. ALBANI or ALBANÖRUM, the Albanians; ALBANIa -ae, a country onthewest of the Caspian; ALBANUS, Albanian".The Webster's Collegiate Dictionary gives the following :"Albania, ancient country of East Caucasus region on west side of Caspian. - Albanian SHQYP'NIE or SHQIPENIA independent state, west Balkan , between Yugoslavia and Greece, capital TIRANA."Regarding the country "Albania at the west of Caspian Sea", this isarather vague way of describing a country. What they really mean istheTurkish country Azerbaijan but they don't want to say it - so theybeataround the bush and describe it as a country west of Caspian.The second name Albanian identified as a Balkan country is also identified with other names of SHQYP'NIE, SHQIPENIA and SHQIPERIA.Thename SHQIPENIA seems to be made up of the Turkish words: "SHQY +BEN+ IA", that is, "ISHIK + BEN + ÖY" (BEN ISIK ÖYÜ) meaning "I am thehomeof light". This is understandable when we consider the fact thattheancient Turanians irrespective of where they were, would believe inthesame deity system, that is, the Sun-god (ALGÜN), Moon-god (ALA AY),thesupreme Sky-Father-God (AL-TANRI, L TANRI) and the sunlight without which the whole world would be left in total darkness and quicklyfrozeninto solid ice in the unliveable environment of cold dark space.We have from url: http://www.askphil.org/b25s.htm the following Albanian words that are alternative to the nameAlbania: "Shqipenie,Shqiperia, Shqiperija, Shqiperise, Shqipni, Shqipnija, Shqiponies, Shqiprari, Shqyptare: (Alb.) Albania."For example when the name SHQIPERIA is rearranged as "PIR-ESHQ-IA",itis seen to be a restructured and disguised form of the Turkish expression "BIR ISHIQ ÖYÜ" meaning "it is one home of light" or "itishome of Sun". Of course this is equivalent to the word ALBANIAwhich isa form of the Turkish expression "AL ABA HANI" meaning "Home of Red Father" which again refers to the red/golden Sun. This alsorelates theancient ALBANIA located at west of the Caspian sea with the ALBANIAinthe Balkans. Evidently they were both Turkish speaking peoples atonetime in the past before they were alieneated by changing theirnamesSomehow their Turkish identity and names were changed underpersecutionand/or duress conditions.Furthermore, the Latin word "ALBANUS" referring to the people ofALBALONGA, that is, the people of LATIUM, also ties this people to the red/golden Sun worshipping Turanians and the ancient country ofAlbaniain the Caucasus. The Latin term ALBANUS, describing Albanians, in the form of "AL-BUS-AN"is a form of the Turkish expression "AL BASh AN" (KIZIL BASh AN)whereAN suffix has two meanings: in one it means "sky" and in the other,itis the ancient Turkish "plurality suffix corresponding topresent "LER,LAR" suffix. The Turkish term "AL BASh AN" (KIZIL BASh AN) means:a) "RED or Golden Head of Sky" which refers to the Sun and the Mooninthe sky, and,b) "AL BAShLAR" (KIRMIZI BASLAR, KIZIL BASLAR, ALEVLILER) meaningpeoplewho believed in the "golden heads" of sky, and therefore, wore someredheaddress in order to identify themselves with the trinity "AL"deities,that is, the "AL TANRI" concept (i.e., Red or Golden God). It isanAnatolian cultural fact that native Tur/Turk Anatolians always hada"red headdress" to identify their religious beliefs, and even theroofsof their homes were made with red bricks. This is just like some religious groups who wear "black" to identify their belief ina "black"god concept. The Islamic religious men (molla) wear a whiteheaddresswith red embellishment in the center. Additionally, during theOttomanEmpire, people of the same Islamic faith wore a red (al)-head-dress called "fez".The present day "Cardinals" of the Christian church in Rome dress themselves in "red" and "purple". This is not coincidence, because Christianity took all of its tenets from the traditions of theancientTuranians, such as the Etruscans and ALBA LONGAns.In the above definitions the west of the Caspians Sea is alsocalled anancient land of Albania. From url:we learn that the ancient Caucasian Albania also included theKarabagregion of Azerbaijan. The Caucasian Albania was alsocalled "Artsakh".It is a well known fact that these lands have always been the landsofTuranians. With this entry, the name ALBA LONGA (and the nameALBANIA)and the Turanians on the west side of the Caspian sea are connectedtoeach other. The name ALBANIA is also the name of a Balkan countrywhosecapital city is TIRANA or TIRANË.It is curious that the name TIRANA or TIRANË, in one sense, is verymuchthe Turkish expresion "TANRI ÖY" meaning "God's Home" and inanothersense, is the Turkish "TURAN ÖY" meaning "Turan home". Thisidentifiesthe reason why Albanians and the Ottoman Turks were so close toeachother and they still are close. The name TIRANA, having the namesofTANRI and TURAN embedded in it, is a reference to the Turanianidentityof the Albanians. Could it be that the Balkan state Albania is a continuation of the ancient country ALBANIA in eastern Caucasus?It is said that the city of ALBA LONGA near Rome was razed to thegroundcompletely at 665 B.C.  by the Romans after a battle between the ROMANS of Rome and the "LATINS" of ALBA LONGA indicating that the "ROMANS" and "LATINS" were not the same people. In this context,theso-called name "ROMAN" is very much the name "RUM" whilethe "LATINS" ofLatium were the ancient Turanian peoples from Altais. It must alsobenoted that the name LEBANON is also related to the name BAAL, ALBA, ALMA, ALABA, ALBANIA, ALBAShLAR, ALÖYLER, ALOYLAR, ALEVILER,ALERIANindicating that they were all related people. LEBANONIAN who aretheremnants of ancient so-called "PHOENICIANS" had nothing to do withtheSemitic peoples. Phoenicians by another name TRYIANS (TURLAR)clearlyindicates that they were TUR/TURK peoples. It is curious thatpresentlythe country of Lebanon is also being intentionally destroyed by the Semites with the consent of the western powers.Since the Latin language is an altered form of the ancient Turkish language, just like all of the other Indo-European and Semitic languages, the old Turanian names of villages, towns, cities andlandswere also all altered after the wanderers usurped them from thenativeTuranians. Similarly the name "ALBA LONGA" also became an alterednamefrom its older Turkic form.Most likely the name "ALBA" was originally in the form ofTurkish "ALMA"meaning "apple". We find the Turkish word "ALMA" (ELMA) in analteredform in the Italian language in the form of "MELA"meaning "apple". Similarly, the Latin word "MALUM" means an "apple, peach, pomegranate, etc.."  When the word is rearranged as "ALM-UM",itbecomes a form of the Turkish word "ALMAYUM" meaning "I am apple".Thesecorrespondences cannot be due to coincidence. Evidently these two "Latin" words have been restructured from the Turkish word "ALMA(ELMA)".The name "ALBA LONGA", when rearranged letter-by-letter as "ALGON-ALBA",(where B and M are readily interchangeable because they are labial sounds), is seen as the restructured Turkish name "ALGUN ALMA"meaning"Red-Sun Apple", or "KIZIL-GÜN ALMA" meaning "Golden-Sun Apple", or "KIZIL ALMA" meaning "Golden Apple". This describes not onlya "goldenyellow apple" or "golden red apple" as a fruit, but also the golden/red-sun itself. Turkish ALGON (ALGÜN, KIZIL GÜN) means "RedSun"or the "Golden Sun" and a day with "golden daylight" or "golden sunlight". Thus the archaic name of the so-called "ALBA LONGA",mostlikely was Turkish "ALGON ALMA" meaning "Golden Apple" or "KIZILALMA"in Turkish referring to the sacred beings Sun and Moon.Turkish "AL-TANRI" (KIZIL TANRI) meaning "Red-God" or the "GoldenGod"refers to the ancient Turanian Sun-God. Turkish "ALA-TANRI"meaning the"Spotted-God" refers to the Moon-God. And Turkish "AALAA (ALA)TANRI"meaning "The Supreme God" refers to the "Sky-Father-God".The adjectives "AL, ALA and ALA or ALI" are all embedded in theTurkishterm "AL" which was one of the many Turkic names for the ancient Turanian trinity Sky-God concept. For example, the ancient name ofBAALfor GOD was nothing but the Turkish expression "ABA (APA) AL"meaning"Father-Red" or "Golden Father". This name BAAL can readily be rearranged as "ALBA" and still mean "AL ABA" (AL APA), that is, thenameof Sky-God in Turkish. As noted the name ALBA is also in the nameofthe ancient city of "ALBA LONGA".Furthermore, in the mythological stories related to "Adam and Eve", supposedly "God" ordered them not to eat from the "APPLE" tree.Could itbe that somebody was giving a secret message of: "do notfollow "ALMA"or "ALBA" (BAAL) deity, if you do, that is a sin? In fact, Turkish "ALMA" in one sense means "apple" but in another sense it is acommandmeaning "do not take it". These two meanings, when put together,form"Do not take the Apple", that is, do not follow that "Red Apple"religion.The Turkish term AL has been retained as the article AL in Arabicandsimilarly as EL in some European languages. In Judeo-Christianity,thearticle EL signifies the Turkish word "YEL" meaning "wind". Thiswas thecase for the ancient Akkadians when they adopted the name EN-LIL(HAN YEL).Thus we see that KIZIL ALMA in Turkish, while it is a descriptive expression literally defining a "RED APPLE" and also a "GOLDENAPPLE"fruit , on the other hand it metaphorically refers to the Sky-God deities of the ancient Turanians. Hence the original name of Romewasa name of God in Turkish. That is why the so-called PontifexMaximus,Chief priest of Rome would not or could not be allowed to say it loudly. That is also why anyone saying the original Turanian nameofRome would be punished by death. The name "Rome" is simply an artificial name invented to cover up the original Turkish name forthisancient religiously sacred city of the Turanians. This sacred city whose original name was replaced with "Rome" or "Roma" related totheconcept of "wanderer") is the top city of Christianity since thebirthof this late religion.It is most likely that Ziya Gökalp in his poem "KIZIL ELMA" was referring not only to ancient Turan but also to the ancient gloryofTuran which gave civilization to the world.At this point I must also indicate, as a passing comment, that thename"ALGON" is also embedded in the name of the North-American Native Peoples so-called "ALGONQUIAN". Most likely this name is from the Turkish expression "ALGÜN-GÖYLÜLER" meaning "Those who are thefollowersof the Golden Sun and Sky" or "ALGÜN-KÖYLÜLER" meaning "Red Sun worshiping villagers" or "Golden Sun worshipping villagers". ThenameALGONQUIAN is defined as: "An Indian people of the Ottawa river valley". REFERENCES: Redhouse Turkish-English Dictionary, Istanbul, 1987, p. 662. Cassal's Compact Latin-English, English-Latin Dictionary,1962,p. 12. Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 5th edition Springfield,Mass.USA, 1947, Pronouncing Gazetteer Section, p. 1185. Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 5th edition, 1947,PronouncingGazetteer Section, p. 1185. C. Graglia's "new Pocket dictionary of the Italian andenglishLanguages", London, New York, 1864, p. 240 and 464. Cassal's Compact Latin-English, English-Latin Dictionary,1962,p. 151. Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, 1991, p. 70.Best wishes to all,Polat KayaJuly 23, 2006End of PART-1. (PART-2 to follow)