Re: [bcn2004] Re: The ancient name of the city of "ROME" was "KIZIL ALMA"

Kardesim Kamil,

Takdirkar sözlerin için tesekkür ederim. Sagol Kamil!.  Gerek yerin altinda ve gerekse Batinin mahzenlerinde gizlice sakli belgeler içinde olasilikla eski Turan dünyasindan kalma Atalarimizin yarattigi sayisiz harikalar var. Onlari gün isigina çikarmak bizlerin atalarimiza olan bir borcu.  Bu ugrasida küçük bir katkim bile olsa bu beni çok mutlu eder.

ALGONQUIAN konusu simdilik listemde degil. Sirasi geldiginde elbetteki bildiklerimi söylemeye çalisacagim. 

Sana ve bütün okuyucularima iyi sagliklar ve mutluluklar diliyorum.

Sevgi ile,

Polat Kaya



Kamil KARTAL wrote:
 

Polat Agam, ATAM!
Ben boyle bir yazi daha okumadim, diyecegim ama bu defa BILGAMESH'lere ULUKORGOZ'lere, TURKISH ERA'lara haksizlik edecegim, hangi birini sayayim!
Hepsi birbirinden guzel ve olaganustu yazilar tabii ama "Pantheon vs. Yurt" ile baslayan dizinin hem sonu pek gelmeyecek gibi gorunuyor hem de yeri cok bir ayri olmus. Kazdikca daha kim bilir nelerle karsilasacagiz. Bunlari en genis kitlelere ulastirmayi kendime bir gorev bildim, malumunuz, ama bu bilgiler ve bu kadar hazir, bu kadar lezzetli sekilde ayaklarina kadar ulastigi halde onlari hala daha okuyamayanlar adina da gercekten uzuluyorum.
Sizden bir istirhamim olacak, aman lutfen ALGONQUIAN icin bizleri cok bekletmeyin! Kardesiniz Kamil --- In bcn_2004@yahoogroups.com, Polat Kaya <tntr@...> wrote:
"KIZIL ELMA" WAS THE ANCIENT NAME OF THE CITY OF "ROME"
By
POLAT KAYA
PART-1
INTRODUCTION
After publishing my paper regarding the relation between the Pagan temple of "Pantheon" in Rome and the ancient Turanian Yurts, a new situation suddenly came to the surface. As I was trying to find 
some 
information about the poem "KIZIL ELMA" by the famed Turkish poet philosopher Ziya Gökalp, I was amazed by the information that I 
found in 
my Redhouse Turkish-English Dictionary, [1] It defined KIZIL ELMA 
as 
being: "a) a legendary Turkish land in Central Asia, and b) in 
ancient 
times, the name of the city of Rome."
This is an eye opener indeed! It indicates that not only was the 
name 
"ROME" or "ROMA" not the real name of this ancient city, but its 
real 
name was in Turkish in the form of "KIZIL ALMA" meaning "Golden 
Apple" 
or "Red Apple". Evidently the British writers of the Redhouse 
Turkish - 
English dictionary knew much more about ancient "ROME" than the 
public 
at large. Particularly, the Romans or the Latins and/or the 
Catholic 
Church officials know much more about the city's real ancient name -
 but 
they never told the truth about it to the public. As usual 
everything 
about them is in deep secrecy. That is, how they have been 
operating for 
the last 2,000 years or more. In fact they intentionally kept the original name of Rome secret.
The name ROMA (ROME), related to Turkish word "ARAMA" meaning "wandering", is very much a name of the ancient wandering peoples (gypsies) who had no civilization of their own except usurping and secrecy. Whenever they wanted to takeover a Turanian country, first 
they 
infiltrated into the state borders with peaceful looking means such 
as 
setting up commercial selling stations in a corner of the country. After all, selling was their forte. On the surface, these selling stations look very innocent, i.e., a simple buy and sell station, 
but 
below the surface, it is really a penetration by an untrustable 
outsider 
into the country. Once the outsider has established his 
organization for 
future activities, then at the opportune time, they seize the 
control of 
the country. Then they exterminate or assimilate the native 
peoples of 
the land, they then change previous names into a broken up language 
and 
finally call this 'new civilization' as their own as if there was 
no 
civilization before them.
Evidently this is what happened in the case of the ancient town of "ROMA" or "KIZIL ELMA" which was originally built by the Turanian Etruscan kings. Of course, the Turkish name "KIZIL ELMA" meaning "Golden Apple" or "Red Apple" given to a newly founded city is very meaningful because the name has connections to the name of the Sky-
God 
in accordance with the ancient Turanian tradition of naming the 
capital 
cities. Etruscans, being Turanian peoples, must have named their 
new 
city similarly after their ancient Sky-God. This I intend to 
explore in 
this writing.
After this new revelation, I did some additional research about the 
old 
name of Rome. One book by an author named Frank J. Korn writes in 
his 
book, entitled "A Catholic's Guide to Rome: Discovering the Soul of 
the 
Eternal City" (also called "The Hidden Rome")-Page 7:
"The Eternal City of? Rome. Many names such as "The Eternal City, 
City 
of seven Hills, City of the Caesars, City of Popes, See of Peter, 
and 
others. A little tradition holds that Romulus and the other 
founding 
fathers took the secret of the city's original name with them to 
their 
graves. It seems that for identification purposes they agreed to 
let the 
city be called Rome after Romulus, its first king, while not 
disclosing 
the actual name they had chosen. Only the Pontifex Maximus, Chief priest, was permitted to pronounce the sacred name and this only 
before 
an altar while offering sacrifice and in such a low whisper so as 
to 
render it inaudible to those in attendance. It was considered the gravest of sacrileges, punishable by death on a cross, for anyone 
to 
divulge the nomen verum. We learn these things from Pliny the 
elder."
First of all Romulus was not the founding father of the city. It 
was 
the Etruscan TARQUIN kings that founded the city and ruled for a 
hundred 
years before they lost the city to so-called "Romans".
Furthermore to keep this ancient city's name secret puts into focus 
the 
fact that the original city did not belong to the so-called people 
of 
"Latins" or to those who renamed the city as ROMA (ROME) for identification purposes. Just as car thieves change the color and 
serial 
number of a stolen car and then register it as their own, those who 
took 
the city from the original Etruscans changed all things related to 
its 
original Turanian identity and called it their own city. Evidently, 
this 
was the most developed tradition of these wandering peoples and 
they did 
it with professional skill. This kind of secrecy keeps popping up 
all 
the time as Dan Brown and others have indicated in their books.
Ataullah Bogdan Kopanski in his writing entitled "Islamization of Shqeptaret: the Clash of Religions in Medieval Albania" at url: http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/quran/albanian/Albchapt.htm writes:
"The 'news' and descriptions of the Christian lands were very 
crucial 
for the Muslim emirs of Asia Minor who wished to reach the land of legendary Kizyl Alma ('Red Apple), identified sometimes with the copper-covered dome of the Church of Hagia Sofia in Constantinople, 
and 
sometimes with the 'apple' over the basilic of St.Peter in Vatican."
It is very interesting that the domes of Hagia Sofia and St, 
Peter's 
Basilica should be identified with the name "KIZIL ELMA". As I 
have 
already shown, the domes of these buildings are symbolization of 
the Sun 
and the Sky-Dome. The Domes of these churches and even many others 
being 
"RED" (KIZIL) and "ROUND" makes them metaphorically "KIZIL 
ELMA". "KIZIL 
ELMA" literally means "Golden Apple" or "Red Apple" but symbolizes 
the 
Sun God, the Moon God and the hunam head.
Let us dwell a bit on the name "KIZIL ALMA" and see if we can trace 
the 
reason why the city would be called KIZIL ALMA or something similar 
to 
it. For the Turks the name KIZIL ELMA in one meaning, signifies the 
old 
glory of the TURAN, that is, the Central Asia and the ancient 
Turanians. 
It means the Altai mountains, the Tanri Mountains and the rest of 
it. 
The ancient name KIZIL ALMA meant "Golden Apple" and/or "Red Apple" representing the ancient Turanian Sun-Moon (AL-MA) and Sky (GÖK) 
based 
religion which traditionalized the advocasy of justice and peace 
for all 
peoples and the Turanian civilization that created many peerless advancements for humanity.
The name was embodied in the city names such as "ALMATI" in Central 
Asia 
which was the capital city (Tepe Kent, Bas Kent) of Kazakistan up 
until 
recently when it was changed to a new site at the north of the 
country. 
The name "ALMATI" in one meaning means "It is apple". In the other 
form 
of "AL-MA-ATA", it means the "SUN-MOON-FATHER" which signifies the religious concepts of the ancient Turanian "Sun-God (Gün-Tanri), 
the 
Moon-God (AY-Tanri) and the Sky-Father-God" (Gök-ATA-Tanri). 
Turkish 
"AL", like "KIZIL", means "red". Kizil also means "gold, golden". 
Thus 
"AL" or "KIZIL" is a Turkish adjective describing the "SUN", that 
is, 
the sun at sunrise and sun at sunset. Normally the Sun looks 
golden 
(yellow) but during sunrise and sunset, it appears red. The ancient Turkish word MA means "magnificent and Moon" as an alternative name 
for 
Turkish "AY". ATA means "father" or "ancestor" and is a name of 
the 
Sky-Father God as the Creator Father.
This ancient Turanian religion was a universal religion followed 
all 
over the world by Turanians wherever they went. The city of ROME 
being 
referred to as "KIZIL ELMA" is significant, because the city was originally built by the Turanians and was taken over by the 
wandering 
groups so-called "Latins" where even the name "LATIN" is 
suspicious. But 
before the city of "ROME", there was another Turanian capital city called "ALBA LONGA" in its altered form within 19 kilometers of the 
City 
of Rome.
With this entry we learn that the ancient and older name of ROME 
was 
ALBA LONGA or more likely KIZIL ALMA (Red Apple or Golden Apple) 
before 
it was converted into ROME.
About the name "ALBA LONGA"
In Cassell's Latin-English Dictionary, there is the following 
definition 
under the name ALBA. [2]
"ALBA, ALBAE, ALBA LONGA, the oldest Latin town. Adjective , 
ALBANUS -A, 
-UM, Alban; ALBENSES populi, people of Latium.
1. ALBANI, see Alba.
2. ALBANI or ALBANÖRUM, the Albanians; ALBANIa -ae, a country on 
the 
west of the Caspian; ALBANUS, Albanian".
The Webster's Collegiate Dictionary gives the following [3]:
"Albania, ancient country of East Caucasus region on west side of Caspian. - Albanian SHQYP'NIE or SHQIPENIA independent state, west Balkan , between Yugoslavia and Greece, capital TIRANA."
Regarding the country "Albania at the west of Caspian Sea", this is 
a 
rather vague way of describing a country. What they really mean is 
the 
Turkish country Azerbaijan but they don't want to say it - so they 
beat 
around the bush and describe it as a country west of Caspian.
The second name Albanian identified as a Balkan country is also identified with other names of SHQYP'NIE, SHQIPENIA and SHQIPERIA. 
The 
name SHQIPENIA seems to be made up of the Turkish words: "SHQY + 
BEN 
+ IA", that is, "ISHIK + BEN + ÖY" (BEN ISIK ÖYÜ) meaning "I am the 
home 
of light". This is understandable when we consider the fact that 
the 
ancient Turanians irrespective of where they were, would believe in 
the 
same deity system, that is, the Sun-god (ALGÜN), Moon-god (ALA AY), 
the 
supreme Sky-Father-God (AL-TANRI, L TANRI) and the sunlight without which the whole world would be left in total darkness and quickly 
frozen 
into solid ice in the unliveable environment of cold dark space.
We have from url: http://www.askphil.org/b25s.htm the following Albanian words that are alternative to the name 
Albania: "Shqipenie, 
Shqiperia, Shqiperija, Shqiperise, Shqipni, Shqipnija, Shqiponies, Shqiprari, Shqyptare: (Alb.) Albania."
For example when the name SHQIPERIA is rearranged as "PIR-ESHQ-IA", 
it 
is seen to be a restructured and disguised form of the Turkish expression "BIR ISHIQ ÖYÜ" meaning "it is one home of light" or "it 
is 
home of Sun". Of course this is equivalent to the word ALBANIA 
which is 
a form of the Turkish expression "AL ABA HANI" meaning "Home of Red Father" which again refers to the red/golden Sun. This also 
relates the 
ancient ALBANIA located at west of the Caspian sea with the ALBANIA 
in 
the Balkans. Evidently they were both Turkish speaking peoples at 
one 
time in the past before they were alieneated by changing their 
names 
Somehow their Turkish identity and names were changed under 
persecution 
and/or duress conditions.
Furthermore, the Latin word "ALBANUS" referring to the people of 
ALBA 
LONGA, that is, the people of LATIUM, also ties this people to the red/golden Sun worshipping Turanians and the ancient country of 
Albania 
in the Caucasus. The Latin term ALBANUS, describing Albanians, in the form of "AL-
BUS-AN" 
is a form of the Turkish expression "AL BASh AN" (KIZIL BASh AN) 
where 
AN suffix has two meanings: in one it means "sky" and in the other, 
it 
is the ancient Turkish "plurality suffix corresponding to 
present "LER, 
LAR" suffix. The Turkish term "AL BASh AN" (KIZIL BASh AN) means:
a) "RED or Golden Head of Sky" which refers to the Sun and the Moon 
in 
the sky, and,
b) "AL BAShLAR" (KIRMIZI BASLAR, KIZIL BASLAR, ALEVLILER) meaning 
people 
who believed in the "golden heads" of sky, and therefore, wore some 
red 
headdress in order to identify themselves with the trinity "AL" 
deities, 
that is, the "AL TANRI" concept (i.e., Red or Golden God). It is 
an 
Anatolian cultural fact that native Tur/Turk Anatolians always had 
a 
"red headdress" to identify their religious beliefs, and even the 
roofs 
of their homes were made with red bricks. This is just like some religious groups who wear "black" to identify their belief in 
a "black" 
god concept. The Islamic religious men (molla) wear a white 
headdress 
with red embellishment in the center. Additionally, during the 
Ottoman 
Empire, people of the same Islamic faith wore a red (al)-head-dress called "fez".
The present day "Cardinals" of the Christian church in Rome dress themselves in "red" and "purple". This is not coincidence, because Christianity took all of its tenets from the traditions of the 
ancient 
Turanians, such as the Etruscans and ALBA LONGAns.
In the above definitions the west of the Caspians Sea is also 
called an 
ancient land of Albania. From url:
http://www.zerbaijan.com/albania/caucasian-albania.html
we learn that the ancient Caucasian Albania also included the 
Karabag 
region of Azerbaijan. The Caucasian Albania was also 
called "Artsakh". 
It is a well known fact that these lands have always been the lands 
of 
Turanians. With this entry, the name ALBA LONGA (and the name 
ALBANIA) 
and the Turanians on the west side of the Caspian sea are connected 
to 
each other. The name ALBANIA is also the name of a Balkan country 
whose 
capital city is TIRANA or TIRANË.
It is curious that the name TIRANA or TIRANË, in one sense, is very 
much 
the Turkish expresion "TANRI ÖY" meaning "God's Home" and in 
another 
sense, is the Turkish "TURAN ÖY" meaning "Turan home". This 
identifies 
the reason why Albanians and the Ottoman Turks were so close to 
each 
other and they still are close. The name TIRANA, having the names 
of 
TANRI and TURAN embedded in it, is a reference to the Turanian 
identity 
of the Albanians. Could it be that the Balkan state Albania is a continuation of the ancient country ALBANIA in eastern Caucasus?
It is said that the city of ALBA LONGA near Rome was razed to the 
ground 
completely at 665 B.C. [4] by the Romans after a battle between the ROMANS of Rome and the "LATINS" of ALBA LONGA indicating that the "ROMANS" and "LATINS" were not the same people. In this context, 
the 
so-called name "ROMAN" is very much the name "RUM" while 
the "LATINS" of 
Latium were the ancient Turanian peoples from Altais. It must also 
be 
noted that the name LEBANON is also related to the name BAAL, ALBA, ALMA, ALABA, ALBANIA, ALBAShLAR, ALÖYLER, ALOYLAR, ALEVILER, 
ALERIAN 
indicating that they were all related people. LEBANONIAN who are 
the 
remnants of ancient so-called "PHOENICIANS" had nothing to do with 
the 
Semitic peoples. Phoenicians by another name TRYIANS (TURLAR) 
clearly 
indicates that they were TUR/TURK peoples. It is curious that 
presently 
the country of Lebanon is also being intentionally destroyed by the Semites with the consent of the western powers.
Since the Latin language is an altered form of the ancient Turkish language, just like all of the other Indo-European and Semitic languages, the old Turanian names of villages, towns, cities and 
lands 
were also all altered after the wanderers usurped them from the 
native 
Turanians. Similarly the name "ALBA LONGA" also became an altered 
name 
from its older Turkic form.
Most likely the name "ALBA" was originally in the form of 
Turkish "ALMA" 
meaning "apple". We find the Turkish word "ALMA" (ELMA) in an 
altered 
form in the Italian language in the form of "MELA" 
meaning "apple". 
[5] Similarly, the Latin word "MALUM" means an "apple, peach, pomegranate, etc.." [6] When the word is rearranged as "ALM-UM", 
it 
becomes a form of the Turkish word "ALMAYUM" meaning "I am apple". 
These 
correspondences cannot be due to coincidence. Evidently these two "Latin" words have been restructured from the Turkish word "ALMA 
(ELMA)".
The name "ALBA LONGA", when rearranged letter-by-letter as "ALGON-
ALBA", 
(where B and M are readily interchangeable because they are labial sounds), is seen as the restructured Turkish name "ALGUN ALMA" 
meaning 
"Red-Sun Apple", or "KIZIL-GÜN ALMA" meaning "Golden-Sun Apple", or "KIZIL ALMA" meaning "Golden Apple". This describes not only 
a "golden 
yellow apple" or "golden red apple" as a fruit, but also the golden/red-sun itself. Turkish ALGON (ALGÜN, KIZIL GÜN) means "Red 
Sun" 
or the "Golden Sun" and a day with "golden daylight" or "golden sunlight". Thus the archaic name of the so-called "ALBA LONGA", 
most 
likely was Turkish "ALGON ALMA" meaning "Golden Apple" or "KIZIL 
ALMA" 
in Turkish referring to the sacred beings Sun and Moon.
Turkish "AL-TANRI" (KIZIL TANRI) meaning "Red-God" or the "Golden 
God" 
refers to the ancient Turanian Sun-God. Turkish "ALA-TANRI" 
meaning the 
"Spotted-God" refers to the Moon-God. And Turkish "AALAA (ALA) 
TANRI" 
meaning "The Supreme God" refers to the "Sky-Father-God".
The adjectives "AL, ALA and ALA or ALI" are all embedded in the 
Turkish 
term "AL" which was one of the many Turkic names for the ancient Turanian trinity Sky-God concept. For example, the ancient name of 
BAAL 
for GOD was nothing but the Turkish expression "ABA (APA) AL" 
meaning 
"Father-Red" or "Golden Father". This name BAAL can readily be rearranged as "ALBA" and still mean "AL ABA" (AL APA), that is, the 
name 
of Sky-God in Turkish. As noted the name ALBA is also in the name 
of 
the ancient city of "ALBA LONGA".
Furthermore, in the mythological stories related to "Adam and Eve", supposedly "God" ordered them not to eat from the "APPLE" tree. 
Could it 
be that somebody was giving a secret message of: "do not 
follow "ALMA" 
or "ALBA" (BAAL) deity, if you do, that is a sin? In fact, Turkish "ALMA" in one sense means "apple" but in another sense it is a 
command 
meaning "do not take it". These two meanings, when put together, 
form 
"Do not take the Apple", that is, do not follow that "Red Apple" 
religion.
The Turkish term AL has been retained as the article AL in Arabic 
and 
similarly as EL in some European languages. In Judeo-Christianity, 
the 
article EL signifies the Turkish word "YEL" meaning "wind". This 
was the 
case for the ancient Akkadians when they adopted the name EN-LIL 
(HAN YEL).
Thus we see that KIZIL ALMA in Turkish, while it is a descriptive expression literally defining a "RED APPLE" and also a "GOLDEN 
APPLE" 
fruit , on the other hand it metaphorically refers to the Sky-God deities of the ancient Turanians. Hence the original name of Rome 
was 
a name of God in Turkish. That is why the so-called Pontifex 
Maximus, 
Chief priest of Rome would not or could not be allowed to say it loudly. That is also why anyone saying the original Turanian name 
of 
Rome would be punished by death. The name "Rome" is simply an artificial name invented to cover up the original Turkish name for 
this 
ancient religiously sacred city of the Turanians. This sacred city whose original name was replaced with "Rome" or "Roma" related to 
the 
concept of "wanderer") is the top city of Christianity since the 
birth 
of this late religion.
It is most likely that Ziya Gökalp in his poem "KIZIL ELMA" was referring not only to ancient Turan but also to the ancient glory 
of 
Turan which gave civilization to the world.
At this point I must also indicate, as a passing comment, that the 
name 
"ALGON" is also embedded in the name of the North-American Native Peoples so-called "ALGONQUIAN". Most likely this name is from the Turkish expression "ALGÜN-GÖYLÜLER" meaning "Those who are the 
followers 
of the Golden Sun and Sky" or "ALGÜN-KÖYLÜLER" meaning "Red Sun worshiping villagers" or "Golden Sun worshipping villagers". The 
name 
ALGONQUIAN is defined as: "An Indian people of the Ottawa river valley". [7]
REFERENCES:
[1] Redhouse Turkish-English Dictionary, Istanbul, 1987, p. 662.
[2] Cassal's Compact Latin-English, English-Latin Dictionary, 
1962, 
p. 12.
[3] Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 5th edition Springfield, 
Mass. 
USA, 1947, Pronouncing Gazetteer Section, p. 1185.
[4] Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 5th edition, 1947, 
Pronouncing 
Gazetteer Section, p. 1185.
[5] C. Graglia's "new Pocket dictionary of the Italian and 
english 
Languages", London, New York, 1864, p. 240 and 464.
[6] Cassal's Compact Latin-English, English-Latin Dictionary, 
1962, 
p. 151.
[7] Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, 1991, p. 70.
Best wishes to all,
Polat Kaya
July 23, 2006
End of PART-1. (PART-2 to follow)