Re: [hrl_2] Re: [bcn2004] Fwd: anagramatizing continued from last post
Dear Neda and friends,
"Compare it with Turkish "ekol", which is of French origin (école). But
this doesn't mean that the French "invented" the word "école", it can
be traced back to Latin, Greek forms etc."
Polat Kaya: Yes you are right. French did not invent it! Neither did the Greek or the Latin invent it. They all took it from Turkish and changed its format.
First of all, the Turkish word for "school" is not "ekol" as you said. It is "okul". And secondly, Turkish "okul" is not from French "école" as you say. The source for the word is Turkish "okumak" meaning "to read". The root of this word is "OKU" meaning "read". The so-called French "ecole" is a restructured and disguised form of Turkish "OKULU" meaning "the school" as in "ana okulu" meaning "the school for pre-school age children), or "ilk okulu" (primary school), "orta okulu"(junior-high school) , etc., . Saying that Turkish "OKUL" is from French "ecole" is misinformation as well as disinformation. This misinformation is propagated to turn the tables around to deny the past Turanian world and bring the so-called "IE languages" to the forefront. In fact even the English word "school" is also a restructured and disguised form of Turkish "OKUL" where the letters S, C and H are used as disguising letters. The S is just linguistic wrapping to distance the source from Turkish, hence it is there for camouflaging purposes. The C is really a K because it is pronounced as a K - but showing it as a C is also a disguise technique or trick. The H is the bogus form of the Greek letter "I" (i'ta) which has many other strange forms being used in manufacturing and disguising "Greek' words form Turkish source material. Hence the real source for English "school" is Turkish "okul" just as it was for French "école".
Turkish word "OKUL" (OKULU) is from the Turkish verb "okumak" meaning "to read/write" and "going to school". The Turkish term "OKUL" is very similar to the Turkish words from verbs such as:
"DIKILI" from "dikmek" meaning "to erect, to sew, to built, ...."
"BÜKÜLÜ" from "bükmek" meaning "to twist, to bend, to buckle"; English "buckle" is from Turkish "bükül" (eğil) meaning "twist, buckle, bend);
"BAKILI" from "bakmak" meaning "to look".
Similarly the English term "BOOK" is sourced from Turkish "OKU" meaning "read". Books are made to be read. In the English word BOOK, the letter "B" has been used for disguising purposes. It is linguistic wrapping, i.e., it is a "veil" to disguise the Turkish "OKU" face of the word.
The Latin word for "school" is given as "DOCERE" [Cassell's Latin - English English - Latin Dictionary, p. 347]. When this word is rearranged letter-by-letter as "OCEDER" where "C" is really a "K", it is found to be the restructured and disguised form of the Turkish word "OKEDER"(OKUTUR) meaning "it teaches", "it teaches to read, write, learn". This expression is in the Azerbaijan and Eastern Anatolian dialect of Turkish. Thus the so-called "Latin" word "DOCERE" is a restructured and disfigured form of this Turkish word contrary to all the linguistic misinformation.
Similarly, the Greek form of the word for "school" is given as "SKHOLEION" [Divry's English-Greek, Greek-English dictionary, p. 289, 699]. When this word is rearranged letter-by-letter as "OKOL-HENI-S", it is found to be the restructured and disguised form of the Turkish expression "OKUL HANI" ("OKUL EVI") meaning "school house". The letter S in the beginning of the Greek word is again nothing but a "wrapper" element which I like to call by the Turkish expression "kundak bezi" (çaput). Thus this Greek word is also an 'imposter' who was given a new face to hide its Turkish source.
Turkish OKUL is also related to Turkish AKIL meaning "mind", "wisdom", "knowledge". Additionally OKUL is related to Turkish word "OLGU" meaning "formation", "shaping", "grooming" - coming from the Turkish verb OLMAK meaning "to be" or "to become". All these Turkish meanings are embedded in the word "LOGY" which is used as a suffix for many words. LOGY is said to mean: "indicating the science or study of" - which is done at OKUL (school) and with the AKIL (mind). For instance, the English word ETYMOLOGY, meaning "the makeup of a word", has the LOGY suffix - which is actually from Turkish OLGU meaning "formation" in this case. All these Turkish words have been skillfully restructured and disguised into words of the Indo-European languages. The etymology for LOGY is said to be from Greek LOGOS meaning "word, reason" (Divry's Dictionary, p. 577). But actually, Greek LOGOS is a restructured form of the following Turkish words:
a) LOGOS when rearranged as "OGOSL" is the restructured form of the Turkish word "AGUSLA" (AGUZ ILE) meaning "with mouth", "with word", "with language", "with speech" in which "-LE, -LA, ILA, ILE" means "with" and "AGUZ" (AĞUZ) means "mouth, word, speech, language".
b) LOGOS when rearranged as "OGLSO" is the restructured form of the Turkish word "AGULSU" (AKILSI) meaning "reason" or "with reason".
Thus two Turkish words using same letters but structured differently from each other and having the meanings of "word" and "reason" are combined in the so-called Greek word "LOGOS". Thus source for all these so-called Indo-european words are not Indo-European as we are led to believe but rather Turkish. Allow me to show you another form of it.
The so-called English term "LOGICAL", when rearranged letter-by-letter as "OGILLCA" where C is Turkish "C" in this case, is the restructured and disguised form of the Turkish word "AGILLICA" (AKILLICA) meaning "logical", "with mind and wisdom". Similarly, the term "LOGICALLY", when rearranged as "OGILLYLAC", where C is K and Y is U, is the rearranged and distorted form of the Turkish word "AGILLULUK" (AKILLILIK) meaning "being with logic" or "being logical". All this correspondences have almost zero probability to take place by coincidence if these Indo-European languaages and Turkish were developped independently from each other. Hence, it is unquestionably clear that the manufacturer linguists of the Indo-European languages have done a great job of taking and then hiding the Turkish language in languages that they call their own.
Dear Neda, I have just shown conclusively that your PIE claim is an EMPTY-BAG. There was no PIE before! But a number of languages were secretly and skillfully "ENCRYPTED FROM TURKISH" at different stages in time. But no matter how skillfully they have done what they did, it is still usurpation of another language. It must be noted that Greek, Latin, French and English languages have all used different forms of Turkish expressions meaning "school" in order to come up with words that seem to be realated to each other as if they were all originating from a "proto Indo-European" (PIE) language. Thus everyone should see that "PIE" is a "BOGUS" concept and its theory is designed to cover up a fantastic usurpation from Turkish. Hence, I disagree with you and all the other linguists who think like you, by saying: "THERE WAS NO PIE! Let us not con each other and the public anymore please."
The Greek alphabet is probably the most ingenious but most dishonest alphabet ever designed. It is designed particularly to usurp the Turkish language as it converts Turkish words and phrases into so-called "Greek" language words. Similarly the other Indo-European languages have collaborated with this deceptive performance of the Greek alphabet.
It must be noted that the ordinary Greek, Latin or any other Indo-European people had nothing to do with these usurpations. It was a group of very secretive people, probably authorized from the top, who knew Turkish inside out and how it was used in ancient times, that manufactured endless strings of words from Turkish in their comfortable rooms behind closed doors. The Turkish word "KAPALI" (gizli) meaning "closed, secret" is the source from which comes the well known word called "cabalist" for such groups.
As for the Turkish "yIsh" meaning ''forest, wooden area'' as Tonyuyuk Kagan rightly explains, it is a form of the Turkish word "ağaș" (agaç) meaning "tree, wood". I must also note that this very Turkish word is also used as "determinand" for wooden objects in Sumerian writings. An example of this is the Sumerian "(gish) APIN" meaning "wooden plough". The Sumerian "(gish) APIN" is nothing but the Turkish "AGAŞ SAPAN" (Agaç saban) meaning "wooden plough".
(For "(GIŞ) APIN" meaning "saban", book by Prof. Dr. Mebrure Tosun and Dr. Kadriye Yalvaç, "Sümer, Babil, Assur kanunlari ve Ammi-Shaduqa Fermani", Türk Tarih Kurumu Basimevi, Ankara, 1989, Sümerce-Türkçe Sözlük, p. 305).
This then also verifies that Turkish and Sumerian were one and the same at 3000 B.C. and were Turanian languages contrary to all the "linguistic" denials and misrepresentations.
Best wishes to all,
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Tonyukuk Kagan <tonyukuk_kagan@y...>Hi,"The crux thing is whether beech is really of Indo-European origin."There is no crux, only a peculiar way of phrasing things.What is meant is that beech can be traced back to PIE on very solidgrounds. Which doesn't say a thing about where the word comes from, orabout pre-PIE word which could be the ancestor of the PIE word forbeech. So "really of IE descent", the way you use it, is rather anempty phrase.Compare it with Turkish "ekol", which is of French origin (école). Butthis doesn't mean that the French "invented" the word "école", it canbe traced back to Latin, Greek forms etc.If a language would borrow Turkish "ekol", then we can say that theorigin of that loanword in language X is of Turkish origin, but again,it's only a partial description of a chain of events."My individual opinion of the root of beech or bush is that both ofthem stand semanticallly very close to yIsh ''forest,wooden area'' inTurkic, that goes ultimately as far back as Sumerian period. Sumerianword for yısh is gIsh. Then it's up to you to substantiate this claim, but not on the basisof one word, but on the basis of regular correspondences. It is veryinteresting anyway, so any further explanation would be highlyappreciated.Neda