Re: [bcn2004] [Indo-Eurasia] More tamgas, etc.
Your article is very interesting. Thank you for posting it. Because of the occasion, I like to note few items.
In your article reference is made to Khazar fortress of "Sarkel". The name "SARKEL" is an intentionally altered form of the Turkish name "SARIKALE" meaning "yellow castle" or "yellow fortress". This alteration alienates the name from Turkish and also it alienates the "Turk Khazar (Hazar) people" from their Turkishness. We need to be very careful in identifying correctly such names. As I have said in many occasion alteration of Turkish names takes away Turkish civilizaation from Turks and gives it to someone else who had nothing to do with that civilization. Another similarly altered ancient "Turkic" city name is the so-called "
Best wishes to you and all,
From: Kamil Kartal <allingus2001@...>
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Subject: [bcn2004] [Indo-Eurasia] More tamgas, etc.
- Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:03:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Subject: [Indo-Eurasia] More tamgas, etc.
While we're waiting for further posts on Gandhara, here are a few more web pages on Eurasian tamgas (or Mongolian tamagas) -- complex brands or housemarks, sometimes joined in longer strings, found throughout Eurasia from early ancient to early modern times. Jacob Dahl has found interesting relationships between these and certain types of signs in proto-Elamite. The same can be said of complex
Earlier review paper posted on this on Mongolian tamagas (pdf file):
I find the examples from the Khazar fortress of Sarkel, from the 9th century CE, particularly interesting, since they contain examples of tamgas in longer strings on bricks -- not so unlike the signs found much earlier at various early sites (like Shahdad) in SE Iran. (Think also of the short strings of symbols on the Jiroft 'brick' some claim is 'writing'!)
For some of the brick signs from Sarkel, scroll down to the bottom of the page:
Beautiful examples of longer strings of tamgas at the bottom of this website from Changthang -- scroll down, and don't miss:
Map of the region:
Other recent finds from the same area :
The latter are from John Bellezza. Is anyone on the List in contact with him? Maybe we could get him on the List to discuss these materials?
Many tamgas are also found mixed in with other cultic materials in Gandhara, of course, along the
highway out of the Karakorum . See esp. the rich materials and other resources at the Indus Valley site: Heidelberg
Some additional photos at:
Any discussion of these materials is welcome. We won't leave the Gandhara thread until we get discussion going!