Re: [hrl_2] Re: Part-13: About the ancient Greek god's name "ZEUS".
In my paper I had outlined various aspects of the name Zeus as one name for god. Evidently, it is a composite name and stands for a variety of concepts. Similarly even the name Deayus/Devas, the Avesta/Vedic name for God, also has two distinct Turkish aspects to it:
a) DEVAS, as from Turkish "
b) The second form of the name DEVAS is "DEAYUS" as you have indicated. DEAYUS would be related to Turkish "DE AYUS" (DE AGUS) where letter "G" has been shifted to "Y". This is very typical of the letter "G" which can be shifted into "Y" while "Y" is shifted into "G". In this form, "DE AGUS" is the Turkish expression "DE AGUZ" meaning "speech mouth" or "speech from mouth". Additionally, DEAYUS is the altered version of the Turkish word "DEYUSh O"(deyish o) meaning "it is WORD" (utterance, speech). Thus, again it is clear that "GOD" and "WORD" were equated to each other in the name DEAYUS for God. This is again an indication that ancient Turanian religious culture was worldwide and Turkish was its common language.
In my paper about the name "ZEUS" I indicated that in one meaning "ZEUS" personified the concept of "speech, utterance, word, language", that is, Turkish "SOZ". In this context, not only ZEUS and DEAYUS/DEVAS represent "GOD" but also they personify "word" using Turkish words.
Even the name "AVESTA" where V=Y and Y=G, takes the form of "AGESTA" which is again Turkish AGUSTU meaning "it is mouth", "it is word". Also it is Turkish "OGUSTU" meaning "it is OGUZ" the Sky-God, and additionally "O-GUSTU" (O GÖZDÜ) meaning "it is that Eye" referring to Sun and Moon and the "eye" of human being. Avesta is a written material and hence is the product of human "mind, memory, mouth and speech".
In the name AVESTA, where V=Y, the expression "AY-ASTE" is also embedded which makes the name same as the Turkish "AY ASTI" meaning "moon is One" or "moon is peerless". This became the prominent religious concept when religious people replaced the "Sun-God" with the "Moon-God". And that has taken place very successfully so far. But, it is most likely that SUN once again will be adopted by the people as the ruling Sky-God as OGUZ (O GÖZ) did for a long time in the past.
As it can be seen, it seems that writers of the ancient texts not only anagrammatized the Turkic source texts, but also coined names after the Sky-God for their sacred books.
Best wishes to you and to all,
From: Ram Varmha <varmha@...>
Subject: Re: [hrl_2] Re: Part-13: About the ancient Greek god's name "ZEUS".
Date: Dima 24 avri 2005
I wonder if Zeus is cognate with Deayus/Devas, thw Avesta/Vedic name for God or Almighty?
David L <david_89793@...> wrote:
At one time I read that Zeus was spelled not with zeta but with xi,
which is samek in Semitic (Greek xi /ks/ comes from Semitic Samek),
though Samek is thought to have been /s/ in Semitic, I see that it
is /zh/, regardless of that, I think it may be related to Semitic xux
(samek vav samek) meaning "horse" /zhaush/ (/au/ as in /caught/
or /bought/, not a diphthong). I recall three of the four letters
[samek] [mountains] [upsilon] [samek] is the Early Corinthian
spelling. That would be something like xeux in a letter for letter
transliteration, which I believe was something like /zheush/.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Polat Kaya
> Part-13: About the ancient Greek god's name "ZEUS"
> By POLAT KAYA
> In this essay we will discuss the name Zeus and show that its source
> is Turkish both linguistically and culturally.
> The name ZEUS is defined as: [Greek (generally DIOS); akin to Latin
> Jupiter.] Greek religion The chief of the Olympian gods, son of
> and Rhea and husband of Hera, identified by the Romans with
> The most primitive character of ZEUS is probably as god of the
> elements; thunderbolt is his sign, the rainbow, IRIS, his messenger.
> Zeus is also god of moral law and order, protector of suppliants and
> punisher of guilt". 
> Graham Speake writes about Zeus as follows  :
> "ZEUS father of the Greek gods. Zeus was first, and universally,
> sky god. By extension he was the weather god in charge of all
> phenomena such as storms, thunder, and lightning. As the cloud
> gatherer he lived on the mountain tops, and specifically on the
> highest of them all,
Olympus, where he ruled over his extended
> of gods and goddesses. Zeus was the father of men as well as gods
> was honoured as the guardian of political liberty, of law and order,
> oaths, and moral behaviour. The justice that he dispensed was
> impartial, supreme, and inexorable. He was bearded and regal. His
> most famous image was the chryselephantine statue by PHEIDAS at
> ZEUS being the weather god in charge of all natural phenomena such
> storms, thunder and lightning relates it to Sumerian ENLIL, that is,
> Turkish "HAN YEL" meaning "Lord Wind" and Sumerian EN-ZU, that is
> Turkish "HAN-SU" meaning "Lord Water". The name of one of the sons
> Turkish "OGUZ KAGAN" was "DENIZ HAN" meaning "Sea Lord" or "SU HAN"
> meaning "Water Lord". Below we will see that Zeus was indeed a
> personification of "water" as well.
> The Greek spelling of the name ZEUS is given as "ZEUS, ZIOUS, O,
> TOU DIOS". 
> First of all the fact that it is called "O" indicates that it was
> Turkish in origin. The Turkish word "O" meaning "he/she/it" is the
> personal pronoun in Turkish referring to 3rd person singular, and
> "that" which is a demonstrative pronoun. When the Sky-God is talked
> about in Turkish, it is pointed out as "O" or "BIR O" meaning "Only
> Him" or "Only That". The letter O itself is an icon for the Sky-God
> because it emulates the disk of the sun and the full moon. The
> O with a dot at its center is another icon for the Sky-God because
> is the representation of an "eye" (G–z) which again refers to the
> and the Moon because they were regarded as the "Eyes" of OGUZ
> (Turanian Sky-God) in the ancient Turanian religion which antedates
> all other religions. So in this context, that is, Zeus being known
> "O", it is simply an emulation of ancient Turanian Sky-God concepts.
> Also, the letter O with a dot at its center was one of the letters
> the Etruscan alphabet and the Pelasgian alphabet. This letter
> represented "T" or "Th" for "ATA" the Creator God, meaning "father"
> and "UTU" (OTO) for the Sun-God.
> Secondly, the name DIOS, when deconstructed as "OD-SI", is an
> of the Turkish expression "OD SU" meaning "fire and water" which
> refers to the godly entities of "fire" ("OD" (OT) in Turkish) and
> "water" ("Han Su" in Turkish and "EN-ZU" in Sumerian). Both fire and
> water are very important essential elements for life and survival
> which is why they were regarded as godly entities.
> Thirdly, the name DIOS, when deconstructed as "DI-OS", is the
> expression "DI AUS" ("de auz", "de aguz") meaning "speech" as
> by the mouth. "OS" is also "mouth" in Latin which is itself taken
> Turkish OUS, AUS or AUZ (AGUZ). Furthermore, DIOS is Turkish "DI
> (DE OGUZ or
) meaning "OGUZ SPEECH" (Oguz Language) referring OGUZ DE
> to "OGUZ" (TUR) language, that is, "Turkish". The Turkish
> means "word, speech, saying, utterence" which is the root word of
> Turkish verb "demek".
> Additionally the Greek name "TOU DIOS", when deconstructed as:
> a) "OD-OUSTI", is the restructured form of the Turkish
> OGUZTI" (OD OGUZ IDI) meaning "It is the Fire OGUZ" the Sun-God.
> b) "US OTODI", is the restructured form of the Turkish
> ATADI" meaning "he is wise father" referring to Sky-Father God and
> also "wise ancestors".
> c) "OOS-TIDU", is the restructured form of the Turkish
> TEDU" (OGUZ DEDU) meaning "Oguz speech" (Tur language).
> But "OOS TIDU" is also a form of the Turkish "OGUS TEDE/DEDE"
> "grandfather Oguz" referring to the ancient Turanian Sky-God, that
> the Sun-God, Moon-God and the Sky-Father-God all as one entity - but
> yet a trinity, and also to "Oguz forefathers"
> In all these variations, different Turkish words come forward in
> relation with "Oguz" and "Aguz" words. Evidently, the Greek
> DIOS" for ZEUS has been manufactured from various Turkish
> such as the ones indicated here and also the names "OGUZ DEDE" and
> "AGUZ DEDU". This immediately reminds us of the legendary Oguz
> elderman's name "DEDE KORKUT" who is described as the "name" giver
> OGUZ Epic stories.
> The name "DEDE KORKUT" meaning "grandfather Korkut" can also be read
> as "DEDE KOR KUT" meaning "Grandfather Holy Fire" which is, of
> the "SUN" as the source of creation in the solar system.
> it can be read as "DEDI KOR KUT" meaning "spoke the holy fire
> This relates the ancient Sun worshipping Oguz religion to Oguz
> language. Hence it identifies the OGUZ language as the "SUN
> (GÐNESh DILI), that is, Turkish.
> ZEUS, when defined as "god", is spelled with a lower case "g"
> indicating that ZEUS is not the real "GOD". The name ZEUS is a
> composite name uniting the meanings of names for many entities
> concepts defined in Turkish. In ancient Greek mythology, ZEUS,
> together with other "Olympian" gods, supposedly lived on the top of
> "mountain" called "
"  . Mount OLUMPOS
> The very fact that the name ZEUS is also spelled as "ZIOUS" is an
> indication that it is an artificially structured name. Otherwise,
> there is no natural or logical reason that there should be three
> vowels packed together between two consonants. The rearrangements of
> the letters in the name ZEUS and ZIOUS explains attributes of ZEUS
> Turkish. We will see some of these attributes below.
> In order to understand the true identity of Zeus better, it is
> important to first understand the true identity of the name "Mount
Olympus". Although this name refers superficially to a real
> in actuality, it has another identity hidden behind this front and
> this hidden identity uses a Turkish expression.
> The Greek word OLUMPOS, English "
OLYMPUS" is defined as: "1. A
> mountain in
, mythical abode of the Greek gods. 2. Any Macedonia
> of godlike beings." 
> As most words of the so-called "Greek" language are artificially
> manufactured from Turkish words and phrases, this Greek name OLUMPOS
> is another such word. When the name OLUMPOS is deconstructed
> letter-by-letter as "OLU-POSM" or "OL-POSUM", and read phonetically
> in Turkish, it is a restructured and disguised form of the Turkish
> expression "ULU PAShUM" ("ulu bashum", "ulu tepeyim") meaning "I am
> great head" or "I am great mountain" where Turkish word "tepe" means
> "human head" and also "hill and mountain top"; additionally, Turkish
> "ULU PAShUM" ("ulu tepem", "ulu bashum") meaning "my great head",
> thus referring to "human head". This creates a metaphor in which
" is identified, in one sense, as a great "mountain Mount OLUMPUS
> top", and in another sense as the great "human head". The human head
> is symbolized as a "mountain top", expressed with the Turkish word
> "TEPE", where "ZEUS" was supposed to live. Thus mountain that ZEUS
> and his relatives lived on was in one sense the so-called Mount
Olympus, and in the other was the "human head".
> This implies that the concept of "Zeus" as god was an abstract
> created in the mind of the human head and was in Turkish originally.
> In other words the "Sky-God" concept was first created by the wisdom
> (US) of OGUZ (TUR) men in
Asiaand then it was spread to other
> "Monotheism" was not the gift of Semitic people as they would like
> to believe. The Sky-God concept was Turanian in origin and from much
> earlier in time.
> Ancient Greeks have cunningly taken this double-meaning Turkish
> phrase, i.e., "ULU BAShUM", anagrammatized and disguised it as usual
> into a Greek word for a double meaning concept in which one was
> by the other. This linguistic trick provided the needed camouflage
> portray the so-called "Greek" mythologial names as words of the
> language when they were really Turkic in origin.
> Now let us see what is it in the mind that creates such a mighty
> concept and philosophy.
> 1. The name ZEUS, when deconstructed as "EZ-US", is the Turkish
> expression "AZ US" meaning "Peerless wisdom". A peerless wisdom can
> think of very high level abstract concepts. US (i.e., wisdom) lives
> the "head" of man. Thus ZEUS, in one meaning, is a personification
> "wisdom", that is, "US" in Turkish.
> 2. The name ZEUS, when shown as "S-EUZ", is an anagram of the
> expression "AS AUZ" (essiz Aguz, tek Aguz) meaning "peerless
> "AGUZ" (i.e., the mouth) which is located on the head, is one and it
> is peerless. It feeds the body with all the necessary food and
> it allows for breathing and exhaling, and it generates sound (ses)
> the "WORD" (S÷Z), all of which enables speech and communication.
> ZEUS is also a personification of the human "MOUTH", that is "AGUZ"
> 3. The name ZEUS, when shown as "SEUZ", is also an anagram of the
> Turkish word "S÷Z" meaning "WORD, speech, language". Thus ZEUS is
> a personification of "WORD" ("S÷Z") in Turkish. "Word" also sets the
> "law" and "punishment", i.e., Turkish "DE ve CEZA"
> 4. The name ZEUS, when shown as "SEZ U", is the Turkish expression
> "SES O" meaning "it is the voice". Complex thinkings that are
> in the mind, are expressed into language by means of "SES" (voice)
> generated from the mouth. The voice (SES) allows us to communicate
> what is going on in the mind. SES (i.e., voice) is generated from
> "mouth" (Turkish "AGUZ", also the less used word of "AVURT" from
> the English "WORD" has been anagrammatized) and is located on the
> head. Hence ZEUS is also a personification of SES (voice) in
> 5. ZEUS as a god of punishment of the guilty, when arranged as
> "SEZ-U", with C/S shifting in Greek, is the anagram of Turkish word
> "CEZA" meaning "punishment". Hence, Zeus is also a personification
> "punishment", that is, Turkish "ceza".
> Now all of these abstract concepts and therefore their
> personifications dwell in the human head, that is "ULU BASHUM" (Ulu
> tepem) in Turkish which has been anagrammatized into Greek as
> "OLUMPUS" or "
". In other words, as abstract concepts, Mount Olumpus
> ZEUS or his "family" never lived on the top of the so-called "mount
Olympus" as the ancient Greeks led people to believe. The riddled
> Greek mythologies are all made up from ancient Turanian concepts and
> stories because distorting the Turkish originals was much easier
> creating them from scratch.
> In addition to these concepts, ZEUS is also the personification of
> physical entities known in Turkish as well.
> 6. When the name ZEUS is deconstructed as "EZ-SU", it is an anagram
> the Turkish expression "AZ-SU" (essiz su) meaning "peerless water".
> Like air, "water" being one of the most essential elements for life
> earth as we know, is a "godly" being. Like the sun, it is essential
> for life. It is a force that shapes the earth and magically
> embellishes our sky continuously. Water in liquid form is mobile and
> alive, fills the seas, lakes and flows in the rivers, streams etc..
> comes out of the ground as underground waters. In the form of "snow"
> it embellishes the tops of the lofty mountains as it did so at the
> of "
". In the form of "clouds" it fills the air around Mount Olympus
> us. In the form of "ice" it exists on mountains and the polar
> Thus ZEUS, in this context, is the personification of "water" as it
> was in the Turko-Sumerian culture "EN-ZU".
> In ancient Turkish culture "water" has been personified as "SU HAN"
> (DENIZ HAN) meaning "Lord Water" or "
". One of the six sons Lord Sea
> OGUZ KAGAN was named as "DENIZ HAN" (SU-HAN). We also find this
> name "SU HAN" as "ZU-EN" or "HAN SU as "EN-ZU" meaning "Lord water"
> Sumerian writings. These Turko-Sumerian concepts are ancient
> and are much earlier than the concept of "ZEUS". Zeus is an
> of these concepts in Turkish.
> We should also note that the Turkish concept of "HAN SU" (Lord
> has been personified by another Greek term, namely "POSEIDON" (Gr.
> POSEIDONOS ). When POSEIDON is deconstructed letter-by-letter
> as "DENIS-OPO", it is an anagram of Turkish expression "DENIZ APA"
> meaning "Sea Father" (Lord sea).
> Similarly, the Greek form POSEIDONOS, when deconstructed as
> "OPO-DENIS-SO" gives us the Turkish expression "APA DENIZ SU"
water". Father Sea
> Furthermore, if the name POSEIDONOS is deconstructed as
> "PEI-SO-DON-SO", it is the Turkish expression "BEI SU DON-SU" (Bey
> ve Don-su (kar, buz)) meaning "Lord water, ice and snow". Again the
> source for this Greek concept is Turkish. Ice and snow generally
> on the top of mountains and also at the polar zones of earth. When
> they melt, they become the waters that feed streams, rivers, lakes
> seas. In ancient Greek illustrations, ZEUS was always presented as
> old man appearing among the storm clouds and letting loose his anger
> as "thunder claps" and throwing "bolts of light" in all directions.
> Here again ZEUS is a personification of Turkish "AZ SU" (peerless
> 7. The name ZEUS, in the form of ZIOUS, also carries other godly
> concepts in Turkish. ZIOUS, when rearranged as "OZ-IUS", where the
> letter "I" is really "AY" and the letter U is really Y, is the
> of Turkish "AZ AYAS" (essiz ayas, essiz ziya) meaning "peerless
> light", that is, "sun light". The Turkic word "AYAS" means "light"
> in "AK AYAS" (White Light) being the name of Sky-God by Tatar
>  Thus, ZEUS also personifies "light". In this context, his
> HERA, opposite of Zeus, is the anagram of Turkish "KARA" meaning
> "black" or "darkness" in addition to being Turkish "KARI" meaning
> "wife". Thus HERA, in one meaning, is the personification of
> "darkness" which always creates problems. Light and dark (day and
> night) are metaphorical mates to each other.
> 8. The Greek name ZEUS is an attempt to emulate the ancient Turanian
> Sky-God OGUZ and its religious and philosophical concepts by another
> non-Turkic sounding name. This ancient Turkish name "OGUZ", in one
> hand, describes the ancient trinity Sky-God "OGUZ", that is, the
> the Moon and the Sky-Father-God. On the other hand, embedded in the
> word OGUZ is Turkish "O GOZ" meaning "that eye" and this refers to
> Sun and the Moon as the eyes of the Sky-Father God. Also embedded in
> OGUZ is Turkish "O K÷Z" meaning "that fire" and this refers to the
> "Sun". Additionally, embedded in OGUZ is Turkish OKUZ meaning "Ox"
> "Bull" which was the bull icon for the ancient Turanian Sky-God
> OGUZ also describes and names the Tur or Turk peoples who are known
> the OGUZ peoples.
> Furtheremore, OGUZ is the homonym word to the word "AGUZ" meaning
> "mouth" which not only "eats, drinks and breaths" for the survival
> the body, but also it generates "voice, word and language" for
> communication. "AGUZ" generates words and gives "names" for all
> concepts that are generated in the mind for abstract concepts as
> as for all the real things found and sensed by human senses in the
> surrounding. Thus "AGUZ was with the God "OGUZ" and "AGUZ" was "GOD"
> (OGUZ) as it is admitted in JOHN 1:1 which states the following: "In
> the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word
> was god". 
> What this cryptic excerpt from JOHN 1:1 is really saying is that in
> the beginning, the word for "WORD" and the word for "GOD" were the
> same or were similar. This was so in the ancient Turanian (Turkish)
> OGUZ religion and OGUZ language, i.e., "OGUZ AGUZ", that antedated
> others. The Turkish name OGUZ represented the Sky-God and Turkish
> was the word for "mouth, word and language" and they are homonym to
> each other. This is probably why the "Word was with God". Therefore
> JOHN 1:1 can be rewritten as: "In the beginning the AGUZ was, and
> AGUZ was with God OGUZ and the AGUZ was god."
> This can be construed as meaning that everything recognized and
> defined by the human mind was initially given a name in OGUZ AGUZ,
> that is, in OGUZ (TUR) language. Implied in this is the meaning that
> this fantastic religious concept where the concepts of God and
> language were combined into one was first done in the OGUZ language
> (i.e., Turkish). This also supports the view that Turkish was the
> Another verifying example of this view is the so-called "Greek" word
> THEO (meaning God). This word is anagrammatized from Turkish and is
> in one sense from Turkish "ETE O" (ATA-O) meaning "He is Father" (he
> is creator) referring to God the Father and God the Sun. In another
> sense, it is from Turkish "TE-O" (DE-O) meaning "it is speech"
> referring to things that we say by the mouth. This again equates
> Turkish "TE O" (DE O) with the god concept of "Theo".
> 9. The name ZEUS, when rearranged as "EZUS", is an anagram of
> word "EZUZ" (eziz, aziz) meaning "dear, beloved, saintly, sacred,
> saint, holy". Yet "aziz" is a form of Turkish phrase "AS AZ" (bir
> essiz, tek) meaning "peerless ONE" which again refers to a "single"
> GOD concept. Of course, similar expressions in Turkish such as: "AS
> OUZ" (Bir/essiz OGUZ) meaning "one/peerless OGUZ", "AS US" (AZ US)
> meaning "one/peerless wisdom" and "AS AUZ" (AZ AGUZ) meaning
> "one/peerless speech" also define "godly concepts". Even the word
> "SAINT" is surely made from the Turkish word "ISTAN" meaning "God".
> >From all of these, it is clearly seen that Zeus and the meanings
> associated with it are all Turkish in origin. Greeks have taken
> ancient Turkish religious concepts and anagrammatized them so that
> they are alienated from their Turkish origin. Similarly are the
> so-called "holy scriptures".
> 1. From the above analysis of the name ZEUS, it is seen that all
> mythological concepts associated with Zeus have their religious,
> philosophical and linguistic origin in the ancient Turanian
> civilization that antedated all others. They are words and
> of Turkish that have been restructured and embedded into the Greek
> mythological name ZEUS. All of this confirms that an unimaginable
> looting of ancient Turanian (Tur/Turk), that is, so-called "pagan"
> civilization took place. Altering Turkish words and phrases to
> words for "European" languages is unquestionable testimony that the
> ancient Turanian civilization was the dominant civilization in the
> world for a long time before it was destroyed and usurped by the
> wanderers (arayan).
> 2. The name OLUMPUS (
Olympus) as the name of a mountain where the
> Greek Gods lived, was also used as a front for the personification
> the human "head" ("tepe" or "bash" in Turkish). Thus this ancient
> Turanian concept has been usurped into Greek by means of
> anagrammatizing the Turkish source text, i.e., "ulu bashum".
> 3. Metaphors and personifications are some of the tricks that have
> been used to usurp and disguise the ancient Turanian culture and
> civilization. The Greek linguists and the linguists of other
> wanderers, in spite of their great skill at usurping the ancient
> Turkish intellectual creations and disguising them into restructured
> and altered forms, have unwittingly preserved the ancient Turanian
> civilization and its Turkish language. The decipherment of these
> encrypted words exposes the ancient Turanian philosophy of the world
> that those ancient peoples lived in and how they visualized.
> 4. In the next part of this series I will discuss the names of the
> MUSES, that is, the mythological nine "daughters" of Zeus together
> with their mother MNEMOSYNE. That discussion will also verify Zeus
> concept and clearly establish their identity as being concepts
> expressed in Turkish.
>  Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Fifth Edition, 1947, p. 1172.
>  Graham Speake, "A Dictionary of Ancient History", Blackwell
> Reference, 1994,, p. 683.
>  DIVRY's "Modern English-Greek and Greek-English Desk
> p. 389.
>  DIVRY's "Modern English-Greek and Greek-English Desk
> p. 216, 615.
>  Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Fifth Edition, 1947, p. 692.
>  DIVRY's "Modern English-Greek and Greek-English Desk
> p. 244.
>  Mircea Eliade, "SHAMANISM Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy",
> Bollinger Series LXXVI,
Press, Princeton University
1974, p. 9.
>  "The
New WorldTranslation of the Holy Scriptures", revised
> 1984, p. 1327.
> Best wishes to all,
> Polat Kaya
> (Copyright © 2005 Polat Kaya)
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