No. 7) Re: [hrl_2] Dr. Kaya,
I found paper you posted in a group called historical linguistics
To: David L.
With your posting
below, you just postulated an artificial problem
and you want me to
solve it for you. Instead of studying in depth and
understanding what
I am saying, you keep twisting things around.
I do not have time
to deal with such superficiality. I wrote a very
detailed and easy
to understand paper that demonstrated the Turkish
sources for about
fourteen words you specified plus many other words
related to them.
Yet somehow you completely failed in understanding
the contents of my
paper and responded to it with a flimsy posting.
And now you came up
with another flimsy postulate.
There is nothing
"irregular" about Turkish "elements". Turkish is the
source language for
many others particularly the Indo-European (IE) and
Semitic languages
as I have demonstrated so many times. The languages
whose words have
been anagrammatized from Turkish are the "irregular"
ones, not the
Turkish language. It is IE and Semitic words that contain
rearranged
consonants with rearranged or distorted vowels that were
sourced from
Turkish words and phrases. That is why, with respect to
Turkish, they are
irregular. As can be seen there is no logic in the
morphology of Greek
or English and other IE languages as well. This is
so because they are
"cut and paste" languages contrary to all the
disinformation
floating around. Now, by using sophisticated, deceptive
and defective
logic, you are trying to turn the tables around and associate
Turkish with
irregularity, anagrammatizing and transposing, trying to
give the false
impression that it was Turkish that was made from
others.
I understand it is
hard for you and for some others to accept the fact
that IE and Semitic
languages are artificially manufactured languages
from Turkish, but
this is due to the fact that the ancient world has
been misrepresented
with all kinds of lop-sided propaganda material to
shape people into
believing a false identity picture of the ancient
world. The ancient
Greek and the Semitic world have been falsely
pumped up while
ignoring the real contributors of the ancient civilization,
that is, the
Tur/Turk peoples whose civilization was usurped by these
groups.
I have told you
everything in a very straight forward fashion, and all
along you have said
that you agreed with the correspondences that I
showed, yet now you
seem to make a U-turn and pretend you did not
here them. There
has already been an artificial confusion applied to
Turkish starting
from ancient Babylon times. Probably from other
religious centers
as well. It appears that you want the same confusion
to be carried on
forever. If you were truthful, you would admit the fact
that Turkish was
the most ancient language and that theTuranian religion
was the first
religion of mankind. The Semitics did not introduce to the
world the so-called
"Monotheism" as they claim. On the contrary, it was
the so-called
"Pagan" religion that is, the religion of the ancient Tur/Turk
peoples that was
villified and demonized by the cabalistic religious groups
in order to advance
their newly introduced cults.
Your postulate
below is wrong and and not even well formulated.
If A, B, C, D are
sourced from an intermediary language T' derived from
language T
(Turkish), then why is there a need for the intermediary
language of T'?
Where is T' now? Why cannot T be T and T' at the same
time? I have shown
over and over again that A, B, C, D have been
manufactured from
T. In ancient times, the speakers of A, B, C, D
were also the
speakers of the dialects of T because the members of A,
B, C, D were also
in the so-called "Pagan" religion, that is, the
ancient Turanian
Sky-God OGUZ religion and/or TUR religion. However,
the members of A,
B, C, D were not ethnically TUR/TURK peoples.
The ancient
understanding of the Turanian concept of "GOD" was a
"duality"
concept, by another name a "YIN-YANG" concept, which stands
for cold/hot,
dark/light, evil/good respectively. In Turkish, this is
expressed as
"AK HAN" (WHITE LORD) referring to "Sun and Sunlight" and
"KARA
HAN" (BLACK LORD) referring to "darkness". "AK HAN"
represented
goodness,
knowledge, justice and tolerance to all people and things
while the Kara-Han
represented the opposite of Ak-Han. There are many
linguistic
evidences that the language associated with this ancient
universal religious
understanding of the cosmos was Turkish.
Presently, there is
the indication that English, a language that has
been manufactured
from Turkish, is slowly becoming a world-wide used
language. With
regards to this language, it would even be correct to
state that a
language "encrypted from Turkish" is being used
throughout most of
the world.
Those who were not
Turanians yet were under the influence of Turanian
civilization were
inclined to follow a world path of their own. Thus
they chose the
Kara-Han as opposed to Ak-Han (SUN) group. This last
group when they
fell apart from the Ak-Han group, had to develop
languages for
themselves to make themselves different from the Ak-Han
group. One of the
aspects of being a separate group is to have a
different language.
The easy way to own one or more languages
different from the
existing language that was being spoken world wide
at that time was to
break, mix, combine, rearrange and fuse together
the words and the
phrases of the existing language. That is what the
members of A, B, C,
D, etc., did to come up with languages for
themselves from the
much earlier model language Turkish (T).
In the process of
manufacturing new words for those
to-be-made-languages,
their linguists used Turkish words and phrases
and their variants
as source material. Thus the newly generated words
in languages A, B,
C, and D would look alike among themselves as if
they were the
members of one language family. In fact they were not.
Yet with respect to
the source language they would look different as I
have shown in my
papers.
So you see the root
problem of languages is the "religion" related
problem. In Babylon
when they were usurping everything Sumer, Masar
and Turkish in
terms of religion, culture and language, the cabalists were
formulating all
kinds of mythology to be told to the people in
overcoming the
immense problem that layed ahead of them. Languages are
made by people and
are the product of culture. And they do not readily
change unless some
group interferes intentionally with them for
political reasons.
This explanation
that I have clearly described above should untie the
artificial knot
that you postulated and asked Polat Kaya to resolve.
Best wishes to all,
Polat Kaya
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David L wrote:
>
> It seems that
the situation is such that elements of language T
> (Turkish) have
irregular forms (via anagrammatizing, transposing, and
> straight
forward correspondences) to forms of languages A, B, C, D,
> ect... But if
the comparisons between A, B, C, D are regular, and
> the
correspondences to T irregular, as has been shown, then either
> all languages
have derived from an unknown language which artifically
> created the
new forms irregularly from T, a language derived from T,
> say T'; or
not. If not then it could only be true that the reverse
> is true, which
is that T' is derived from A, B, C, D, or some how
> derived from
them artificially, then T is derived from T' and not T'
> from T.
>
> The only way
the above could be false as far as I can see at the
> moment is if
A, B, C, D, ect... have no regular correspondences, but
> they in fact
do, and Indo European is an example subset of that set.
>
> We may even
postulate that Sumerian and Turkish correspond to T and
> T', but not
necessarily in that order.
>
> Mr. Polat
Kaya, how are we to resolve this?
> ???
>
> Dave