NATIVE PEOPLES OF EUROPE WERE ANCIENT TURANIANS
By POLAT KAYA
MY RESPONSE TO JOSE CARLOS CRESPO PEREZ
Jose Carlos Crespo Perez wroteJose Carlos Crespo Perez 1.-yo creo que los turcos actuales, no se parecen en nada a los supuestos pueblos turanios de hace miles de años.2-los pueblos turanios debían ser pueblos indoeuropeos o relacionados con ellos.3.- Estos pueblos indoeuropeos vendrían a Europa occidental desde Asia.4-estos pueblos dieron origen o influyeron en los posteriores celtas de Europa central.5-Estos pueblos de Europa central influirían en el oeste de Europa (culturalmente).6-Las culturas anteriores de la península ibérica no tendría nada que ver con ellos.7-Estas culturas de la península ibérica influirían en la cultura celta de Europa occidental.8.- La toponimia es muy subjetiva de interpretación, a menudo errónea,pero no se puede hacer una toponimia de hace miles y miles de años relacionándola incluso con un pueblo determinado y con grandes distancias desde donde supuéstamente partieron los pueblos...... MI RESPUESTA : Polat Kaya
The translated version of this text is as follows:
Jose Carlos Perez Crespo said:
1.- I believe that the Turks of today, do not resemble the supposed Turanian peoples of thousands of years ago.
2- Turanian peoples most likely were either Indo-European peoples or related them.
3 -. These Indo-European peoples probably came to Western Europe from Asia.
4- These peoples either gave rise to or influenced the subsequent Celts of Central Europe.
5-these Central European peoples most likely influenced Western Europe (culturally).
6-the earlier cultures of the Iberian peninsula most likely have nothing to do with them.
7-These cultures of the Iberian peninsula probably influenced the Celtic culture of Western Europe.
8 -. Toponymy is very subjective to interpret, often erroneous, but one cannot make a toponymy of thousands and thousands of years ago and relate it even with a specific people and with such great distances from where these peoples supposedly left.....
MY ANSWER: Polat Kaya
Response of Polat Kaya:
Dear Jose Carlos Crespo Perez,
Thank you for your response. My response will be point-by-point, in English. I hope it will not be difficult for you and for my other readers to follow.
1. You said: “1.- I believe that the Turks of today do not resemble the supposed Turanian peoples of thousands of years ago.”
Polat Kaya: The environment and living conditions of people and the habits of doing things by people may change to some degree in time. In this context, in many ways, the new generations of the same people may not look exactly alike with their ancestors some generations ago. But this change is not that important. What does not change readily in time and under the same or similar environmental conditions are their ancient national identity, language and the religious beliefs passed to them from their ancestors. Therefore, what is important is how the new generations relate themselves to their ancestors and how they maintain that relationship. Turks of today, whether they live in Anatolia or any other part of Asia, Europe or other parts of the world, know their Turanian ancestry and their ancestral Tur/Turk/Oguz identity and their sub-family names. This is because of the fact that the Turks of today everywhere have come from an ancient family tree that extends its roots into the depths of history with such majestic world empires that each one left a legacy of its own civilization!
With this being said, I say the Turks of today are very much the same in their looks as the ancient Sumerians; Masarians (that is, the so-called ancient “Egyptians”); the so-called Minoyans (that is, the people of the island of Crete who were jumping over bulls); the Trojans (Turks) and Dardanians (Tatar Turks) of Anatolia; the Thracians; the so-called fisherman Pelasgians who were the Saka Turks; the Sea peoples; the so-called Ionians (who were the Turkish Ayhans); the so-called “Hittites” of Anatolia (the name of which is also a recent Aryan fabricated name); the so-called “Phoenicians and Carthaginians”, that is, the Günhans in Turkish, who were criss-crossing the seas in all directions; and in Europe, the Scandinavians Saka Turks; the ancient Norse (Norwegian) people, that is, the ancient NURSI (Nurcu, Güncü) of Comanches (Kipchaks, Bashkurts, Tatars) who are also called the Vikings; the Turanian Suebian soldier Turks, that is, the Bashkurts, Kipchaks, Tatars - who became the ancestry of the present day Germans; and the so called Galatians, that is, the Galacilar (Kaleciler meaning the “castle builders” in Turkish) who made up the ancestry of all of the CELTIC peoples of Europe! This list can be extended to include many other names as well!
Since the times of a world wide ancient Turanian religion – (based on the concept of an omnipotent Sky-God (creator “Tanrı), Sun-God (Gün-Tanrı) and the Moon-God (Ay-Tanrı), and the Human-Head as a creative god), new business like religions have been invented to replace the old Turanian language and religious concepts. With such religiously and politically motivated social alterations”, ancient Turanians, at some geography of the world, have been alienated from their ancient Turanian identity and converted into some other invented “ethnic” identities. With such man-made changes, surely, the new generations of these ancient Turanians have been alienated from each other! This has been particularly the case between the ancient native Turanians of “Europe” and the rest of the Turanians elsewhere.
However, what is not changed readily is the common memory of the Turanians regarding their past identity. Presently, countless numbers of people from every corner of the world get together, meet each other and know each other as Turanians in annual festivals. This common memory of the past identity is a very strong tie that brings the Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples from the past into the present. In that common memory, language and customs, Turks have spread all over the world over thousands of years, in spite of the view that modern Turks may “not resemble the supposed Turanian peoples of thousands of years ago” as you said.
2. You said: “2- Turanian peoples most likely were either Indo-European peoples or related them.”
Polat Kaya: I have said it before and I will say it again, the concept of “Indo-European” is bogus and was created in recent times. It has been conceived as “disinformation” to cover up the fact that the ancestry of most of the present day Europeans were Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples before they were intentionally Aryanized and Christianized. Similarly, your saying that “Turanian peoples most likely were either Indo-European peoples or related them” is also misinformation. First of all, there was no so-called “Indo-European” when the Ancient Turanians were the native peoples of Asia, Europe and North Africa. The TURANIANS are known as being the people who antedated the “Indo-Europeans”. Thus, one can not identify or relate the ancient Turanians to some group of people who did not even exist as an entity at the time Turanians lived in Asia, Europe, Africa and elsewhere in the world! The following definition of “Turanians” clearly states that Turanians were “neither Indo-European nor Semitic”! The following definition also states that the Turanians were “one of an extensive division of mankind, including the Mongols and allied races of Asia, together with the Malays and Polynesians.”
The definition of the name “Turanian” given in the Britannica World Language Dictionary (1963, Vol. 2, p. 1353) and in the link http://www.whatdoesthatmean.com/dictionary/T/turanian.html provides us with the following information:
Definition of Turanian: “Of or pertaining to a large family of agglutinative languages of Europe and northern Asia, neither Indo-European nor Semitic, specifically known as the Ural-Altaic languages, or any of the people who speak them.
1. One whose mother tongue is a Ural-Altaic language; a person of Ural-Altaic stock.
2. The Ural-Altaic languages collectively.
3. Theoretically, one of an unknown nomadic people who antedated the Aryans in Europe and Asia. [< Persian Tūrān, a country north of the Oxus River]
4. One of an extensive division of mankind, including the Mongols and allied races of Asia, together with the Malays and Polynesians.”
This definition conveniently ignores the name “TURK” - as usual, although the name TURK and TURAN are inseparable. Evidently, it is composed by some European “scholars” who are conditioned to ignore the name Turk! The definition states that Turanians were “neither Indo-European nor Semitic” which is true, and it also states that they were “theoretically, one of an unknown nomadic people who antedated the Aryans in Europe and Asia.” In this definition, the claim that the Turanians were one of an “unknown nomadic people” is a lie and intentional denial! If Turanians were an “unknown nomadic people”, how can they then compare the Turanians to “Semites” and/or to “Indo-Europeans” –both of whom did not exist when the ancient Turanians were spreading their very advanced reading/writing based civilization all over the world! Such statements are nothing but political propaganda favoring the Aryans and Semites while denying and vilifying the Turanians who gave civilization to the world!
Those who write such claims are intentionally using such sophistry to cover up the fact that the Turanians were people of a much earlier civilization that was originated in Central Asia by the Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples who spread it everywhere in the ancient world. When the writer of the “Turanian definition” says that “Persian Tūrān, a country north of the Oxus River”, he actually admits the name OĞUZ which is embedded in the name “OXUS” of the Oxus River. The name “OXUS” is the altered and Aryanized form of the Turkish word “OĞUZ SU” meaning “the water of Oğuz”, that is, “the Oğuz River”, and additionally, it means “Okus Su” meaning “the Bull River”. The name OKUS/OKUZ was one of the names of the ancient Turanian Sun-God and Moon-God which were regarded as the “eyes” of the Sky-God. The Turkish name OKUZ (OGUZ) also means BULL which has been Aryanized as “OX” meaning “bull”. The geographic area above and including the Oxus River is also called TURKISTAN in addition to the name TURAN!
I will also add here that the name OGUZ (OKUS (OX)) was and still is the name of the first letter A of the so-called “Phoenician Alphabet”, that is, the “GÜNHAN Alphabet” of the ancient Turanians. The same letter of the Phoenician alphabet is also known by the name “ALEPH” which is also the Turkish word “ALEV” meaning “flame, fire”. The word ALEPH (ALEV) is in reference to the ancient Turanian Sun-God which is an ever glowing flame in the sky. Thus, it can be said confidently that the Turkish name OGUZ has been immortalized in the first letter A of the alphabet that is presently used worldwide! This proves that the ancient so-called Phoenicians were Turkish Gunhans – rather than being Semitic. I should mention here that even the Turanian Sumerians used the OX-head (OGUZ) as the source for their first letter A. They have saved their ancestral name OGUZ in the first letter A of their alphabet. The name Gunhan is the name of the first of the six sons of OGUZ Kagan.
3. You said: 3 -. “These Indo-European peoples probably came to Western Europe from Asia.”
Polat Kaya: Again, your statement is misleading. First, the “Turanians” were not “Indo-Europeans” as you would like us to believe. Secondly, the Turanians were the Ural-Altaic Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples of Central Asia and Siberia. After the ending of the Last Ice Age, some of them had come to all parts of “Europe” and some others went to other parts of the world. We see the remnants of their ancient civilizations everywhere throughout Europe including their kurgans, pyramids, and many other religious altars and temple sites. Their migration from their homelands was caused by the natural changes in their environmental conditions after the ending of the Last Ice Age. Turanians had been the first natives of Europe long before Aryans from India and Semites from the Arabian Desert came to Europe. The first Aryans who are said to have come to “Europe” were the Greeks (Rum) who are said to have come to the geography presently called "Greece" around the early part of the second millennium B. C. When the Aryan Greeks - (named "Graeci" in Latin - from Turkish "Garachi" meaning "wanderer") came to ancient "Greece", they found there a much earlier established and advanced Turanian civilization! Greeks first intermingled with the native Turanians in ancient Greece and learned everything from them. The Greeks did not come from Central Asia contrary to any such claims which are nothing but disinformation!
The present so-called “Indo-Europeans” of Europe are the mixture of late arriving Aryans and the ancient native Turanians of Europe who were forcefully Aryanized
and Christianized by Greeks, Romans and their Christian church! The Aryanization and Christianization of the native Turanians of Europe took hundreds of years
to complete and the lives of eight to ten million people - as stated by Homer W. Smith, [see “Man and His Gods” by Homer W. Smith, 1953, p. 251]. With
Aryanization and Christianization, their language and Turanian identity were completely changed.
4. You said: 4- These peoples either gave rise to or influenced the subsequent Celts of Central Europe.
Polat Kaya: Indeed the native Turanians not only established the civilization of Europe, but also influenced the civilization of the so-called Celts because the original CELTS themselves were none other than the Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples. The Celtic writings are very much in the form (using similar lettering) of the ancient Central Asiatic Turkish writings, and their art forms are very similar to that of, for instance, the Selcuk Turks. But the so-called Celtic languages have been changed by the Aryan Christian church missionaries so badly that presently their languages cannot be readily recognized as Turkish. Otherwise, as people, they are no different from Turanians except with their religious beliefs! After the original Celtic people became Christianized, Christian writers demonized their pre-Christian deities.
Here I give some of the Aryanized names of the Celtic deities and their Turkish sources that I deciphered.
The Gaulish Celts inhabited the region corresponding to modern-day France, southern and western Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg and northern Italy. The Brythonic Celts, or Britons, inhabited most of the island of Great Britain and later migrated to Brittany. Some of the Celtic Deities: from link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Celtic_deities
a) The Celtic deity AMBISAGRUS, a god of thunder and lightning, rearranged as “GASURBAIM-S”, is the altered form of the Turkish word “KASURGAYIM” (KASIRGAYIM) meaning “I am storm”. Turkish word KASURGA (KASIRGA) means “storm”.
b) ATEPOMARUS, a horse god, rearranged as “PAS-AT-ERUOM”, is the altered form of the Turkish expression “BAŞ-AT-ERİYUM” meaning “I am the Head Horse Man”. Turkish words BAŞ means “head”, AT means “horse”, ER means “man; soldier; hero”, ERİ means “the man; the soldier; the hero”.
c) BARINTHUS, a god of the sea and water, rearranged as “BIR-THANUS”, is the altered form of the Turkish expression “BİR DENÜZ” meaning “One Sea”. Additionally, the name BARINTHUS, a god of the sea and water, rearranged as “SU-TANRI-BH”, is the altered form of the Turkish expression “SU TANRI BEY” meaning “Lord Water God”. Turkish words BİR means “one”, DENÜZ (DENİZ) means “sea”, SU means “water”, TANRI means “god”, BEY means “lord, ruler”.
d) BELATUCADROS, a god of war, rearranged as “BELACUTUR-ADS”, is the altered form of the Turkish expression “BELACIDIR ADI” meaning “his name is war maker” (his name is trouble maker). Turkish words BELA means “calamity, trouble, misfortune,”, BAŞ means “head”, ADI means “it’s name”.
e) ICAUNUS, a god of a river, rearranged as “ICAN-SU-U”, is the altered form of the Turkish expression “AKAN SU O” meaning “it is flowing water”. Turkish word AKAN means “that which flows”, SU means “water”.
f) IOVANTUCARUS, a protector of youth, rearranged as “CIVAN-OUS-ARTU”, is the altered form of the Turkish expression “CİVAN OGUZ ERDÜ” meaning “he is the young Oğuz man”. Turkish word CİVAN means “young”, OGUZ means “a name of god; name of Tur/Turk/Oguz people”, ER means “man, soldier, hero. husband”, ERDÜ means “he is man; he is soldier”.
g) LUGUS, creation and learning, rearranged as “GUL-US”, is the altered form of the Turkish expression “AKUL US” or alternatively “OKUL US” meaning “mind and wisdom” or “school and wisdom”. Turkish word AKUL means “mind, intelligence, knowledge”, US means “wisdom”, OKUL means “school”.
h) TARANIS, a god of thunder, rearranged as “AS TANRI”, is the altered form of the Turkish expression “AS TANRI” (BİR TANRI) meaning “One God”. Turkish word AS means “one”, TANRI means “god”, BİR means “one”.
i) CATURIX (TOUTATIS , TEUTATES), a tribal god, where X is KS or KUS, rearranged as “CAI-TURKUS”, is the altered form of the Turkish expression “GÖY (GÖK) TÜRKÜZ” meaning “we are the Sky-Turks (We are the Blue Turks)”. Turkish word GÖY (GÖK) means “sky”, TUR (TÜRK/OGUZ) means “sky deity”.
j) ANDARTA, a goddess of war, rearranged as “DART-ANA”, is the altered form of the Turkish expression “DARP ANA” meaning “war mother”. Turkish word DARP means “hit, fight, war”, ANA means “mother”.
k) ANDRASTE, goddess of victory, rearranged as “TAS-DANRE”, is the altered form of the Turkish expression “ATAŞ TANRI” meaning “Fire God”. Turkish word ATAŞ means “fire”, TANRI means “god”. This implies victorious people making a great circle around a great fire at the centre where people sing and dance and perform all kinds of entertaining activities for celebrating their victory.
l) COVENTINA, goddess of wells and springs, rearranged as “COVI-ANNET”, is the altered form of the Turkish expression “KUYU ANNEDI” meaning “she is the mother of wells”. Turkish word KUYU means “water well”, ANNEDI means “is mother”.
m) DEA MATRONA, "divine mother goddess", rearranged as “TANRE-AMADO”, is the altered form of the Turkish expression “TANRI ANADU” meaning “She is Mother God, She is goddess Mother”. Turkish word TANRE means “God”, ANADU means “is mother”.
n) DEA SEQUANA, goddess of the River Seine, rearranged as “ADE-AQAU-SEN”, is the altered form of the Turkish expression “ADI AKAN SEN” meaning “its name is the flowing SEN”. In Turkish, the River Seine is also called SEN. Turkish word AKAN means “that which flows”, ADI means “it’s name”.
o) ERECURA, earth goddess, rearranged as “UER-CARE”, is the altered form of the Turkish expression “YER KARI” meaning “the Earth Woman”. Turkish word YER means “earth, ground”, KARI means “woman, wife”.
p) TAMESISADDAS, goddess of the River Thames, rearranged as “ADA-TEMISS-SDA”, is the altered form of the Turkish expression “ADI TEMIZ SUDU” meaning “its name is Clean Water”. Turkish word ADI means “it’s name”, TEMIZ means “clean”. SUDU means “it is the water”.
So from all of this, any linguist, politician or missionary can see that initially, there were not any so-called “Indo-European languages”. What they labelled as “Indo-European languages” were what they generated from the Turkish language using the simple technique of altering, rearranging, and distorting Turkish words and expressions - and then claiming the resultant fabrications as “Indo-European” words and languages! Otherwise, it is not possible to come up with all of these exact correspondences as I showed above. This process is what they call Aryanization and Christianization. This way, the ancient native Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples in Europe (and in many other places) were converted to a new identity of Christianized “Indo-Europeans” - as GENESIS 11 had instructed! That was the end of the ancient Turanians and their ancient civilizations. Here I refer the reader to the opening page (before the Foreword) of the “New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures” where it says: “THIS IS WHAT THE SOVERIGN LORD JEHOVAH (YHWH) HAS SAID: ‘…HERE I AM CREATING NEW HEAVENS AND A NEW EARTH; AND THE FORMER THINGS WILL NOT BE RECALLED TO MIND, NEITHER WILL THEY COME UP INTO THE HEART.’” - ISAIAH 65:13, 17; also see 2 Peter 3:13. With this new command, the believers were instructed to not remember anything from the ancient past. This is how the ancient Turanians and their civilization “changed hands” and identity!
To demonstrate how Turkish words are transformed into words of the so-called Indo-European languages, I will use the following example of the supposedly English word DEAR. This word is typically used to start off a letter to someone. For instance, “Dear John,”. In this usage the word DEAR implies “valuable”. Another example is “Dearly beloved”. In this usage, DEARLY again implies “valuable”. Now let us see what the online dictionary says about DEAR.
The Online Etymology Dictionary gives the following information about the source of the word DEAR at link http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=dear&searchmode=none:
“dear (adj.) Look up dear at Dictionary.com
Old English DEORE "precious, valuable, costly, loved, beloved," from Proto-Germanic *DEURJAZ (cf. Old Saxon DIURI, Old Norse DYRR, Old Frisian DIORE, Middle Dutch DURE, Dutch DUUR, Old High German TIURI, German TEUER), ultimate origin unknown. Used interjectorily since 1690s. As a polite introductory word to letters, it is attested from mid-15c. As a noun, from late 14c., perhaps short for dear one, etc.
DEARLY (adv.) Look up dearly at Dictionary.com
Old English DEORLICE (see dear).”
Polat Kaya: Yes that is a very nice definition of DEAR and DEARLY. They give us all of the Indo-European versions of DEAR – but somehow they do not know the ultimate origin of the word. Now I will give you the real origin of the word DEAR. In Turkish, when we write a letter to someone, we start it with the Turkish word DEYERLI meaning "precious, valuable, costly, loved, beloved,". For example, one might start a letter with “DEYERLI ARKADASLAR,” meaning “Dear Friends”. Everyone can see that Turkish “DEYERLI” and English “DEARLY” are one and the same. Therefore the unknown origin of the word DEARLY is from Turkish DEYERLI – contrary to the pretentious explanation that its ultimate origin is unknown.
The different versions of DEAR and DEARLY in the so-called European languages are just below:
Proto-Germanic *DEURJAZ is an altered form of the Turkish word DEĞER;
Old Saxon DIURI is an altered form of the Turkish word DEĞER;
Old Norse DYRR is an altered form of the Turkish word DEĞER;
Old Frisian DIORE is an altered form of the Turkish word DEĞER;
Middle Dutch DURE is an altered form of the Turkish word DEĞER;
Dutch DUUR is an altered form of the Turkish word DEĞER;
Old High German is TIURI, an altered form of the Turkish word DEĞER;
German TEUER is an altered form of the Turkish word DEĞER;
English DEARLY is an altered form of the Turkish word DEĞERLİ; and
Old English DEORLICE is an altered form of the Turkish word DEĞERLICE;
All this clearly shows that the ancient native “Europeans” were Turkish-speaking Turanians and the words of their language were altered in this fashion – called Aryanization of the language - and also the native people. The ULTIMATE ORIGIN of these so-called “Indo-European” words in Europe was indeed none other than the Turkish language! Furthermore, if all of these “European” words were in their original form as they claim it to be, then, again it verifies my view that the native ancestors of all these so-called Indo-European peoples of “Europe” were Turanian Turkish speaking Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples who were Aryanized, Christianized and alienated from their ancient Turanian identity. Each group has been provided with a language with a different format – and even with a different alphabet! The same falsehood was also applied to the Turkish peoples of Central Asia during the Soviet Union times.
5. You said: 5-these Central European peoples most likely influenced Western Europe (culturally).
Polat Kaya: Yes indeed they did. After all, they were the native Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples, that is, the natives of Europe and therefore they influenced each other! For example, they were the Turkish soldier people of SUEBIANS (SUBAY) that made up the so-called “Germanic tribes”. In this regard, the German word HAGAN (HAGEN) is none other than the Turkish word HAKAN that means “supreme ruler”! Here are some other German names that are from Turkish - contrary to denials.
BAVARIA – from Turkish word AVAR-EVI or AVAR-OYU – meaning “home of AVAR Turks”
SUEBIA – from Turkish word SUBAY – meaning “army officers” or SÜ-EVI – meaning “home of soldiers”
ALMANIA – from Turkish word ALMAN-ÖYÜ– meaning “home of red men” or “home of sun-worshipping people”
DUTCH – from Turkish word DAĞCI (DAĞHAN) – meaning “mountain lords”
ERLICHMAN meaning “honest” or “honorable” – from Turkish word ????
HANS – from Turkish word HAN – meaning “ruler” or “lord”
ADEL meaning “righteous” or “just” – from Turkish word ADIL meaning “righteous” or “just”
ADELE feminized version of ADEL meaning “noble” or “just” – from Turkish word ADILE meaning “righteous” or “just” or “noble”
ADELBERT – from Turkish word BIR-ADILDi – meaning “one just person”
KURT meaning “courageous” – from the word TÜRK – meaning “courageous” and “strong”. Additionally, the Turkish word KURT means “wolf” which is a logo of the Turks. Also, the wolf itself is a courageous animal.
EMERICH meaning “ruler” or “strength”– from Turkish word EMIRCI – meaning “commander”
EHRLICHMAN - whose name in German means "honest man", these are the still visible remnants of the ancient turanian names. ???
HAGAN meaning "highest son" or “exalted son” - from Turkish word HAKAN (Kagan) meaning “supreme ruler”
HAGEN: Danish form of Old Norse Hákon, meaning "high son" – from Turkish word HAKAN (Kagan) meaning “supreme ruler”
HAN short form of German Johann, meaning "God is gracious"" - from Turkish word “AYHAN” meaning “Moon Lord” or “Moon God”
Polat Kaya: When one examines these names, dictionaries identify them as being Germanic names taken from all kinds of people - mentioned by the name, except, one name is not mentioned at all. That name is the name of TURK! Yet when we inspect the above names we find that they are from Turkish - and there are many more. Obviously, it must have been a very “filtered” selection process where anything TURK was discarded, distorted and/or attributed to others! Essentially, what it means is that the original German people were Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples before they were Aryanized and Christianized.
6. You said: 6-the earlier cultures of the Iberian Peninsula most likely have nothing to do with them.
Polat Kaya: When you say “the earlier cultures of the Iberian Peninsula”, you did not identify to what particular culture you were referring to? I say, at least since the ending of the Last Ice Age, Turanians have been all over the world and thus, even in the Iberian Peninsula, and therefore have left their cultural marks wherever they have been.
8. You said: 8 -. Toponymy is very subjective to interpret, often erroneous, but one cannot make a toponymy of thousands and thousands of years ago and relate it even with a specific people and with such great distances from where these peoples supposedly left.....
MI RESPUESTA (MY ANSWER): Polat Kaya”
Polat Kaya: In this writing I showed with many examples that the ancient Turanian names have all been Romanized, thus, altered to the degree of unrecognizable as Turkish. These alterations are intentional misrepresentation and confusion of the written and spoken formats of the ancient Turkish words and phrases given as place names. In view of such an interference, of course it is difficult to recognize and interpret the ancient toponomy.
The word TOPONYMY is defined as “toponym (n.) 1939, from comb. form of Greek topos "place" (see topos) + -onym "name" (see name (n.))."
Actually, the Greek word TOPWNUMIA, meaning “name of a place”, when deciphered by rearranging its letters as “TIPA-UY-NOMU”, is really the altered and Hellenized form of the Turkish expression “TEPE ÖY NAMU” meaning “name of hills and homes”, that is, “the name of places” such as villages, town, cities, mountains, seas, lakes, rivers, hills, etc.. For example, the name ALP as in the “Alp Mountains” is from ALP in Turkish - meaning "high" or 'difficult to overcome". So the source of the term TOPWNUMIA is from Turkish!
With sincere greetings to you and all,